How fast can humans travel in space?

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    Someone said "You need Matter for a Holographic Image to reflect off of. "And I said "What about all that dark matter and energy?"
     
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    Dark Matter doesn't interact with light...which is why it is "dark". Dark Matter's existence is not proven, it's just the name of a set of proven matter-like effects that we have no other name for. Presumably some day it will prove to be made up of some elementary particles that don't interact with light, maybe neutrinos.
     
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    Dark Matter is called Dark Matter not because it is actual Matter but because it generates Gravitational Effect like Matter.

    Dark Energy is called this because it is actually generating more Space-Time inbetween Galaxies which make it seem as if Dark Energy is FORCING the Galaxies apart...it is not.

    The type of Matter necessary for a Holographic Image to be reflected off of is Matter which has Atoms with Protons and Neutrons within the Atomic Nucleus surrounded by Electron Orbital Fields.

    A Holographic Image does NOT reflect off Dark Matter.....if it did....we would be able to see Dark Matter from the Stellar Photonic Light Emmisions.

    We can't.

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    It was a joke since the poster only said 'matter' is required for a hologram and there definitely is matter throughout the cosmos...
     
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    Isn't mass required in order to have gravity?

    Haven't scientists calculated what the total mass (matter) should be yet visible objects are only 50% (a guess) of the presumed mass?

    We know that planets and stars and solar systems and galaxies have gravitational effects so how can a hologram create a gravational effect?
     
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    96% of our Universe is comprised of Dark Matter and Dark Energy.

    The Higgs Field is responsible for giving Hadrons the ability to have Mass but Dark Matter is what we call the Gravitational Effect being generated by an UNKNOWN.

    It is possible that Dark Matter is Divergent Universal Reality Bleed Off into our Universal Reality within our Universal Grouping within the Multiverse.

    A Holographic Image cannot create a Gravitational Effect but a Holographic Image needs Matter to reflect off of so a person can see it.

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    Sure there is plenty of Matter but not enough to prevent the stars orbiting the central Black Hole of all Siral Galaxies from being flung out into Intergalactic Space as the amount of Matter in a Spiral Galaxy is much too little to keep the stars orbiting a Spiral Galaxy like our Milky Way from losing stars due to low Gravitational Effect.

    Dark Matter is holding these stars in Orbit.

    Just so you know....all Matter is COMPLETELY COMPRISED of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms of Energy.

    Because of this we search for and attempt to develop the UFT....UNIFIED FIELD THEORY.

    This would allow us to create a Matter/Antimatter Reaction that exists as a CASCADE REACTION within all Divergent Universal States of Reality thus generate enough ENERGY to REPRESENT THE NECESSARY MASS to FOLD SPACE-TIME to the necessary degree required for Interstellar Travel.

    There does not seem to exist enough Antimatter in the UNIVERSE never mind our Galaxy to react with Matter to generate the necessary Energy Requirements to represent MASS to WARP OR FOLD SPACE-TIME to make Interstellar Travel Viable.

    Thus the Matter/Antimatter Reaction MUST OCCUR IN MANY MULTIPLE DIVERGENT UNIVERSAL STATES OF REALITY causing an ENERGY GENERATION CASCADE....to represent the necessary amount of Matter.

    If you can develop AND UNDERSTAND a UFT....you could literally do anything.

    We don't just think but actually KNOW WITH 100% CERTAINTY that a MULTIVERSAL SYSTEM is necessary and must exist for a QUANTUM PROCESSOR OR COMPUTER TO WORK!!

    Without a Multiversal System....Quantum Processors and Computers WOULD NOT WORK AT ALL!!

    They do work and if you are cleared by various Canadian and U.S. Agencies you can even BUY A QUANTUM PROCESSOR for your Company like GOOGLE DID froma Company called D-Wave.

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    96% is a big number. Interesting that we can't get our hands and heads around 96% of all that exists?

    For those who believe the Universe is nothing but a hologram, using your comments above, the matter that reflects light would need to only be in the shape and location of everything we see and can detect, while the other 96% is dark something which won't reflect...
     
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    Maybe there is a type of matter, perhaps dark matter, which does not possess the same gravitational effects as visible matter? Intuitively all that we consider dark and void cannot be 'void'...there must be something there. I guess the question is what is it and how does it effect all visible matter?

    Losing stars due to low gravitational effect might be caused by the immense distances weakening whatever gravity exists. Seems like the more distance created between objects the less gravity and at some point the mass no longer is effected enough to maintain it's position.

    I've never understood why a UFT is required? Why must everything in existence, from the micro to the macro, be explained in a single theory?

    How can anyone be 100% certain about a multiverse system for quantum processing when we don't yet have quantum computers?
     
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    We could detect the Holographic Projection Units and we can detect by many means what is a Holograpic Projection and what is Matter.

    Mass Spectrometers, Magnotometers, Red/Blue Light Shift....the list is endless.

    Plus Celestial Mechanics demands that what we visually see or Mechanically Detect what is going on.

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    It's not about the speed, it's about the distance.

    If you can bend space to your will you could theoretically break the universal speed limit with out breaking it all.

    A gravity creating device would make G-Force irrelevant.

    We have a lot of science we need to figure out before we even think about leaving this rock.
     
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    Oh we have Quantum Processors and Computers.

    Google just purchased one from D-Wave.

    The U.S. Military Black Programs have had Quantum Systems for some time now and I hear is whispers the letters A.I.....all the time which SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME!!

    A Quantum System uses a QUIBIT rather than a BIT.....as the 0 and 1 exist in a state of SUPERPOSITION.

    As well QUANTUM TELEPORTATION allows a Quantum System to work Thousands if not Millions of times faster than your average IBM Supercomputer even if networked.

    We have them...and Google bought one from a Canadian Firm called D-Wave which a LOT of it's R&D Funding comes from the U.S. Black Budget.

    Thing is in order for a Quantum Computer to even work....it must work in co-operation with Alternate Versions of itself in Alternate Divergent Universal states of Reality in a Universal Grouping within the Multiverse.

    Bottom Line....a MULTIVERSE MUST EXIST....because if it did not....a Quantum Computer could not work.

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    We need to first Develop and Understand a UFT...Unified Field Theory before we can go along and Warp or Fold Space-Time.

    Since all Matter is completely comprised of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms of Energy.....if you are able to find a way....most likely Matter/Antimatter Reaction to generate enough energy.....you can TRICK the Universe into thinking that Energy is Matter with Mass.....thus Warp or Fold Space-Time.

    Problem is...there is not estimated to be enough Antimatter in the Universe Existing to generate a Matter/Antimatter Reaction to generate the necessary incredibly enormous amount of Energy Required to represent Mass thus generate Gravity to the level necessary to FOLD SPACE-TIME to get us to even the nearest star from Sol...Sol is the name of Earth's sun.

    So....we figured something out.

    A Matter/Antimatter Reaction with even a small amount of Matter and Antimatter anihilating each other which generates enormous amounts of energy....just not enough to Fold Space-Time.....we figured out.....THIS REACTION IS ALSO HAPPENING IN VIRTUALLY INFINITE VERSIONS OF OUR UNIVERSE IN OTHER DIVERGENT UNIVERSAL STATES OF REALITY!!

    Thus it is possible with the correct understanding to generate A CASCADE REATION in all Divergent States that can be used and assigned to THIS UNIVERSAL STATE.

    The MATH....is a B!#@H.....but it supports the concept.

    And there is ONE THING I know with 100% CERTAINTY...and I wish I did not know.....IT IS POSSIBLE....because it exists....and we are NOT the only Space Faring Race in the Universe.

    As far as Navigation....I have no clue as I can't possibly know everything....and in this endevour...no one could.

    This is why the development of A.I. is so IMPORTANT...with certain DEVELOPMENTAL GOVERNORS put in place of course.

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    NO! No to disturbing the space time continuum via Warp or Fold Space-Time.
    Do you really think it is just gonna snap back as though nothing happened.
    Call such a remaining disturbance, Space Smog.
    How much of that can be tolerated before some catastrophe such as a rip in the Space Time Continuum capable of destroying planets, solar systems and even universes via cosmic disruptions to gravity and those details.

    Who knows?
    Are you really willing to Warp or Fold Space-Time?


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    r > g



    No :flagcanada:
     
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    The Folding or Warping of Space-Time is happening as you type....it's called GRAVITY!!!

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    It is pretty steady, not an over powered man made blip coming amongst us.
     
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    What do you mean by this?

    Any Craft using a Gravitic Drive is not using any system of propulsion.

    If it is FOLDING SPACE-TIME.....then it is traveling without moving.

    If it is the type of Gravitic Drive sort of like what is described in Star Trek where a WARP BUBBLE is being created around the craft it simply is moving though SUB-SPACE.

    There are no Galaxy Destroying Issues to do this.

    There are various Alien Races using Gravitic Drives right now.

    The BIGGEST SECRET THAT THE PEOPLE THEMSELF DON'T WANT TO KNOW ABOUT!!

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    And u assume, Space Time doesn't care.

    Remains unaffected by the unnatural man made folds and twists and bends over an instant compared to gravity.

    No Warp Drive. :rant:
    No twisting, folding or otherwise manipulating "our" common space/time continuum.
    It is like the air I breathe but, moreso.


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    But a hologram is nothing but a projection onto something which will reflect light. This means in our Universe which is filled with so-called dark matter, in order for us to see a distant galaxy as a hologram, non-dark matter would need to be located only in those areas which we perceive the shape and intricacy of the holographic galaxy...and I can't buy this. Anyway, we're getting off the topic of how fast can humans fly...
     

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