Iran nuclear deal reached with world powers

That would require Congressional action and approval by the president. As noted the sanctions expire next year automatically so any extension of the sanctions would require Congress to act and it could face a presidential veto contrary to some claims being made that Congress could do nothing and still block the ending of the sanctions.

 

I never made that claim because that was not the reason for the Obama Adminstration approving the final deal. The Obama adminstration approved the deal because it's a good agreement that prevents any Iranian development of nuclear weapons for at least 10 years.

The issue was raised that Congress could do nothing leaving the sanctions in place and I merely pointed out that the president has broad authority related to the sanctions and that they're set to expire next year anyway.

 

No, I'm amused by the fact that the US has already proven it can't be trusted when it comes to inspections and for an agreement that will build trust over time we can't start based upon a known case where the US can't be trusted. Remember that it was the CIA using the WMD inspection in Iraq as a cover for covert spying activities that got the UN weapons inspectors thrown out of Iraq in the 1990's. Would you trust the CIA to not misuse the inspections in Iran for covert spying activies? I wouldn't and I'm an American.

This is a gross misrepresentation of the agreement. All of Iran's nuclear facilities will still be monitored by the IAEA and that requires no request or approval by Iran. It's only if the IAEA inspectors want to inspect a non-nuclear facility, such as a military compound, that a request must be made and approved. Previously non-nuclear military facilities were never allowed to be inspected but in the future they can be although it could take up to almost a month to obtain approval for the inspection. This was a huge concession by Iran that, if the shoe was on the other foot, the US would never agree to.

 

Yet we've been assured the Iranians weren't trying to develop a nuclear weapon. Our intelligence agencies told us so.
It's been a very popular leftist talking point.

So why did we give Iran everything but the kitchen sink to not do what they were not doing anyway?

Do you have any explanations for this schizophrenic view of Iran? Were we being lied to before? Or now?

Yet what would stop these sanctions from being renewed? Is there some strong lobby in Congress I'm not aware of for Iran's nuclear ambitions? I don't see it.

 

The leadership in Iran is depending on this type of naivety to help them get this agreement enacted.

 

Good questions which will never be answered.

 

I've asked it of about half a dozen apologists for this give away and no one has the guts to even address it.
Were they wrong before? Or now?

 

I will address it.

Although I am not an apologist.

We have known from the very beginning that Iran would attempt to build thousands of centrifuges....in this case 17,000 are built....and we knew that they would begin to enrich Uranium beyond reactor grade all the way up to 90% which is weapons grade.

This is why we fought so hard to not allow Iran to be cleared by the U.N. and IAEC after Iran signed the NPT to purchase Russian Nuclear Reactors and purchase Reactor Grade Uranium.

Unfortunately Iran followed all the Guidelines that WE OURSELVES set into the NPT and they were allowed to buy the Nuclear Tech....over our objections to Russia WHO DESPERATELY NEEDED THE MONEY as the Russian's were highly paid to build these Reactors.

So....now exactly what we thought would happen has happened and because an UNKNOWN GROUP penetrated Iran's Centrifuge Enrichment Program with a Computer Virus....this allowed Iran's Enrichment Program to be set back 14 to 18 Months although some say it is only 12 months.

Iran has enough weapons grade Uranium to build at least one possibly two Fission Bombs of circa 1945 U.S. Military Gun Barrel Design...with a nominal yeild of between 5 and 7 Kilotons.

Hiroshima was about 11 to 12 Kilotons.

I am faily certain that although such a old 70 year old design is easy to build it is the WEAPONS GRADE URANIUM that is difficult to come buy and the other U.S. Design which used a Plutonium Core covered in Plastic Explosives is much too dificult a design for Iran to as now accomplish.

The United States no longer uses Fission Bombs as we have and hopefully will never have to use....PLUTONIUM FISSION REACTION TRIGGERED HYDROGEN THERMONUCLEAR FUSION WARHEADS.

Iran's Fission Bombs are most likely not assembled but could be in a very short time as long as they have the Weapons Grade Uranium.

Iran's Theocratic Leadership want's to build about 20 Fission Bombs and eventually wants to be able to make them in small warhead design to be placed atop a Balistic Missile....but they are at least 15 years away from doing that.

Right now Iran has only two ways of delivering a Nuclear Fission Bomb....#1. Truck....drive it to target.....#2 Passenger Jetliner....Fly it to target.

Either way....U.S. Military WORLDWIDE RADIATION DETECTION CAPABILITY is extremely capable and we would KNOW and could TRACK the moment Iran put a Nuke on a Truck or Iran taking a Nuke and putting aboard a Passenger Suicide Run Jet Airliner.

A few Fission Bombs WILL NOT DETER THE U.S. MILITARY as the moment Iran is caught with or declares to the world it possesses Nuclear Weapons.....THE U.S. MILITARY WOULD INVADE.

AboveAlpha

 

Bury it in asphalt.

 

That's not moving it.

If Iran does not follow through on this last deal....there will be HELL to pay.

The People in Iran don't want a war...the People in the U.S. don't want a war.

But as to what the Ayatollah want's....that is another thing entirely.

My greatest fear about this whole issue is that the Old Religious Iranian Guard does not understand what lengths the U.S. will go to to keep intact the Rules and Viability of the NPT.

AboveAlpha

 

You may be interested in this:

[video=youtube;v2o5uApi-Nc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2o5uApi-Nc[/video]

 

Hostages have aleardy been released more than 3 decades ago!
And negotiations were about determining all the nulear-related sanctions.

Sorry, the vicious sanctions had nothing to do with the people's lives.
It's very rude to demand people stop chanting "down with USA" with USA was trying to kill them.

Inspections means inspections. There is no half, nor irregular inspection-by definition.
I think another GOP myth.

Really?
Stop making allegations.

Not something against the NPT.
And I see nothing tangible in your argument- just allegations and allegations.

Try to stick with what you said.
You talked about R&D, something that the NPT hinged upon.

 

That Time Bill Clinton Said North Korea Would Dismantle Its Nuclear Program

[video=youtube;6TcbU5jAavw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TcbU5jAavw[/video]

Can you say bag of hammers?

 

They are saying what I have been saying....IT'S A GAMBLE!!

This is how it will go down one way or the other.

The United States KNOWS that Iran is enriching Uranium to 90% which is weapons Grade.

Wealso know because of a UNKNOWN GROUPS penetration and installation of a Computer Virus into all Iranian Centrifuge Mainframes....and this Virus was sophisticated upon a level that very few people in the world are capable f creating it and getting it installed to direct Iranian Computer Mainframes to not only run at the incorrect spin velocity but as well even when diagnostics both both the Mainframes and individual centrifuges were done by the Iranian's....the diagnostics checked out A-OK...so that the Iranain's running their Weapons Grade Enrichment Program had absolutely NO IDEA that the centrifuges were running at the mproper rate which set back the program anywere from 14 to 18 months although some groups state the Enrichment Program was only set back 12 months....I figure 16 months.

Anyways...because of this Iran has enough weapons grade Uranium to assemble one to possibly 2 circa 1945 U.S. Military Gun Barrel Design Fission Bombs.

These are very heavy bombs and this is 70 year old technology and each bomb would have an approx. nomnal yeild of between 5 to 7 Kilotons....Hiroshima was 11 to 12 Kilotons.

This latest agreement is a LAST CHANCE for Iran as we are GAMBLING in that within the time period of the agreement if Iran does what they agreed to...EVERYONE WINS.

Then again we are also betting that withi the period of the agreement there is a good possibility that Iran a Nation that has a population that has over 70% of it's people UNDER THE AGE OF 30 YEARS OLD....will mature and finally take over as they want DEMOCRACY and an end to THEOCRACY.

Then there is the possibility that Iran does not abide by the agreement or even worse....Publically announces it has developed Nuclear Weapons.

Now the concern is that if Iran is just using this agreement to buy time to get more Weapons Grade Uranium so it can build between 10 and 20 Fission Bombs....as Iran cannot place these Gun Barrel Design Bombs atop a Missile....and Iran is at least 15 years away from developing a warhead small enough and light enough to place atop a Missile.....they would only have two ways to deliver such Fission Bombs to Target.

One method would be putting them on or ina truck and driving them to target which U.S. Radiation Detection would track easily and immediately.

The second method having Iran place such bombs within Passenger Jet Passenger Aircraft and again....the U.S. could detect and track these weapons as they were being loaded.

In any scenario THE U.S. MILITARY WILL NOT BE DETERED BY EITHER 2 OR 20 OF SUCH NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!

Iran must realize that the moment they either declare they have Nukes or the U.S. Detects them....Israel will immediately want to bomb all Iranain Facilities.....and since the U.S. cannot allow the entire Middle East to be Poisoned with Radioactive Dust......THE UNITED STATES MILITARY WOULD HAVE TO INVADE.

Such an invasion as I have stated would make the U.S. Invasion of Iraq look like a few firecrackers and a bottle rocket being shot off!

The preservation of the NPT will be heald up at al costs.

So let's all hope that ether Iran abides by the agreement or perhaps Iran might finally become Democratic over this time.

Because if Iran doesnt abide by the agreement or announces to the World that Iran has nuclear weapons....we will watch the U.S. Military seize all Iranian Nuclear Sites and Obliterateall Republican Guard Divisions.

The Iranian Navy and Air force and regular Army might very well stand down and stay out of this fight as they will be needed to protect a new Democratic Iran....plus for them to go up against the U.S. Military would simply be SUICIDE.

AboveAlpha

 

You're correct. The US intelligence agencies have been consistant in stating that Iran is NOT attempting to manufacture a nuclear weapon.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/w...see-no-move-by-iran-to-build-a-bomb.html?_r=0

I really can't explain the schizophrenic or paranoic beliefs related to Iran and nuclear weapons. I've never been able to understand the foundation for the economic sanctions when all of our intelligence agencies claim that Iran is not trying to build a nuclear weapon. We continue to see the same irrational paranoia in many posts here where there are apparently those that believe that Iran, after not pursuing nuclear weapons for ten years in the past, will for some unexplained reason want to build a nuclear weapon ten years from now.

This reminds me of the invasion of Iraq. The Iraqi government was stating in 2002 and 2003 that it didn't have any WMD programs or active WMD munitions but we invaded nonetheless. What did we find? Iraq didn't have any WMD programs or active WMD munitions. We were driven by irrational paranoia as opposed to the facts (i.e. the UN weapons inspectors on the ground with total access were reporting no WMD programs or munitions).

Why do we still have those that completely ignore the facts? I simply can't explain it.

Of note we're not "giving" Iran anything. We're lifting economic sanctions that shouldn't have existed in the first place because Iran was not attempting to build a nuclear weapon.

The president would stop the sanctions from being renewed. The Republicans do not have a veto proof majority in both houses of Congress and predominately it's Republican paranoia that is fueling the opposition to the agreement with Iran under the NPT treaty.

 

You've repeatedly stated that the US KNOWS that Iran is enriching uranium to 90% without citing a single source. Why would Iran want to enrich uranium to 90% when, according to all US intelligence agencies, Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapons program and hasn't had one for over a decade (if it ever had one at all)? 90% enrichment has no use except for weapons and Iran's not attempted to manufacture a weapon.

Here's what we know from Bloomberg:

http://www.bloombergview.com/quicktake/irans-uranium-enrichment

No mention of 90% enriched uranium and, if the story is accurate, then Iran has already disposed of the 20% enriched uranium it did have in 2013 and this disposal was verified by the IAEA.

Please stop making things up and provide supportive links as oppose to repeating the same old unsupported statements.

 

Which makes me wonder why the Obama regime secretly released Iranian scientist Mojtaba Atarodi, who was arrested in California trying to procure equipment for Iran's military nuclear program, in a back channel deal
paving the way for this larger deal.

Since China, Russia, the UK, France and Germany have all been in on this deal it makes me think Iran indeed was building up their nuclear weapons program, while all the while, insisting they were not.

Also we know on several occasions Israel has bombed Iran enrichment facilities and killed Iranian scientists deemed important to their program of acquiring WMDs.

It would not be unprecedented for our intelligence agencies to lie to our collective faces (or just get things completely wrong). Of course, it's happened again by all the evidence.

As cited, there is much evidence to think our intelligence agencies have either failed miserably to track Iran or, for political purposes, have simply denied the truth.

Weighing all the evidence it seems Iran has been. And I think anyone who believes Iran can be trusted is a fool.
In eight to ten years under this deal Iran will get their bomb and instead of checking Iran, as we were with our sanctions, we have now insured Iran will destabilize the region and begin a nuclear armed Middle East if they are just a bit more patient.

I'm hoping there are enough democrats, not made blind by
partisan political sickness, who will join in and kill this deal.
Even if you believe there should be a deal with Iran, this one sided give away is not it. We could do so, so much better and Iran doesn't have to change it's behavior at all! That's a give away.

 

WHAT giveaway??????????

 

You should read the comments listed in this thread. For just one example, of many, we are lifting missile and arms sanctions on the number one sponsor of global terrorism and giving them over $100 billion dollars to spread around. That's a recipe for bloody failure.

 

The money was frozen assets belonging to Iran.

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/17/8989147/iran-nuclear-deal-myths

The 6 biggest myths about the Iran nuclear deal

Updated by Max Fisher and Amanda Taub on July 17, 2015

Don't take it from me: The CIA itself predicts that Iran will probably put most of the money from sanctions relief toward its domestic economy. Iranian civilians are human beings, too, and they've been suffering real humanitarian hardship due to sanctions. This won't solve that problem, but it will ease it.

(Don't listen to that fool Bibi)

 

Isn't it something how history keeps repeating itself?

 

"Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of their predecessors are destined to repeat them." - George Santayana

 

Iran and North Korea are partners in the fields of nuclear and missile technologies. They are working jointly on ballistic missile development.

http://freebeacon.com/national-secu...ping-new-long-range-rocket-booster-for-icbms/

North Korea is developing ICBMs.

http://thediplomat.com/2012/04/tackling-north-korea-missile-quest/

The two countries share military technology.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/160346/sec_id/160346

North Korea has reportedly developed the ability to miniaturize nuclear warheads.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/20/asia/north-korea-nuclear-weapons/

If North Korea has in fact miniaturized nuclear warheads they can be placed on the Taepo Dong 2 ICBMs under development.

Given their past behavior it is likely North Korea would share its miniaturization technology with Iran.

Iran has said:

“In the event of a mistake on the part of the United States, their bases in Bahrain and (Diego) Garcia will not be safe from Iranian missiles,” said an Iranian Revolutionary Guard adviser to Iranian leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Majatba Dhualnuri."

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/06/09/iran-5000km-range-missile-can-hit-us-indian-ocean-base/#

 

Ok, let's not listen to Bibi:

"Myth #3: The Iran deal will usher in a kinder, gentler, friendlier Iran....this nuclear deal isn't going to end Iran's struggle for regional dominance, which means that it isn't going stop Iran from backing brutal dictators like Syria's Bashar al-Assad or violent militant groups across the Middle East." [Yeah, and we just lifted sanctions]

"Myth #6: The deal makes it physically impossible for Iran to build a bomb...By the White House's own estimate, Iran's "breakout time" — the time it would take Iran, if it kicked out inspectors one day, to assemble the material for one nuclear bomb — will be extended by the terms of this deal from three months [Huh? Didn't Bibi say that?] to about a year"..

It's deja vu all over again:
"Why did it fail? Because the North Koreans apparently still have not given up their hopes and their wish to produce nuclear weapons. The very premise of the Agreed Framework was that over a period of time and through a series of steps and in exchange for some security assurances, as well as economic assistance, that North Korea would give up its nuclear weapons program. We were able to monitor their program, their original plutonium-based program at Yongbyon. And that did remain frozen. But the fact is, we discovered some months ago that the North Koreans were pursuing very, very seriously and at an advanced stage, a covert -- an entirely different nuclear weapons program based on highly enriched uranium. And in that sense, we weren't able to stop that process. The very purpose of the Agreed Framework was ending verifiably North Korea's nuclear weapon's programs. And it did not serve that purpose." - Thomas Hubbard, Ambassador to South Korea on North Korean agreement.

 

Lifted nuclear-related sanctions only.
You can't expect to win everything without staking much.

Who said that's the meaning of break out time?
According to NPT, every country must pre-anounce its retirement from NPT by 3 months to all parties to NPT.