Iran nuclear deal reached with world powers

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  1. 10A

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    No, from the agreement: "This comprehensive solution would involve a reciprocal, step-by step process, and would produce the comprehensive lifting of all UN Security Council sanctions"

    Breakout time has nothing to do with the NPT. Breakout time is how long it would take a particular country to build a nuclear weapon if they put every effort towards it immediately without opposition. In any case, Iran violated the NPT, and they'll violate this agreement.
     
  2. IranianStudent1

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    Oh, the whole paragraph reads:
    The JCPOA will produce the comprehensive lifting of all UN Security Council sanctions as
    well as multilateral and national sanctions related to Iran’s nuclear programme, including
    steps on access in areas of trade, technology, finance, and energy.

    But the eviction of inspectors does.
    So you are sure that no country would ever oppose it and just the US may?
    When has Iran violated NPT?
    Think about how to jump a bridge when you reach a bridge. Iran has not violated this agreement yet
     
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    And so? All UN sanctions will be lifted, which is not only nuclear sanctions.

    Oh, Iran is planning to evict inspectors already? Good to know.

    Oh I know at least 2 countries will oppose "it", well at least one, it depends on the next election here.

    Lol. I'll give you just two, but this isn't the only two: The secret Fordow enrichment facility that wasn't declared. The weapons facility at Parchin which was denied inspection.

    It was just made. Give the Iranians a month or two.
     
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    Who said?
    Even if it was so, name 1 UNSC resolution against Iran that's not nuclear related
    That's what you claim.

    And what was wrong with them?

    So don't prejudice.
     
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    Oh all sanctions are nuclear related? I thought Iran wasn't after a nuclear weapon? How did they attract all these UN (not US) nuclear sanctions?

    What was wrong with Fordow? Its existence violated the NPT. Denial of inspections at Parchin violated the NPT. Sure, nothing wrong at all if you intended to violate the NPT treaty.

    Right, no prejudice since Iran is a pristine angel. Just like North Korea.
     
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    Which article exactly?
    There is no such thing as "the mere existence of a facility violates NPT".
     
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    From the NPT treaty:

    "Recalling that, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, States must refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State"

    Threatening to wipe Israel from the face of the Earth is a violation. Your religious leader has done so repeatedly.

    Also from the NPT:

    "1. Each non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty undertakes to accept safeguards, as set forth in an agreement to be negotiated and concluded with the International Atomic Energy Agency in accordance with the Statute of the International Atomic Energy Agency and the Agency’s safeguards system, for the exclusive purpose of verification of the fulfilment of its obligations assumed under this Treaty with a view to preventing diversion of nuclear energy from peaceful uses to nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices. Procedures for the safeguards required by this Article shall be followed with respect to source or special fissionable material whether it is being produced, processed or used in any principal nuclear facility or is outside any such facility. The safeguards required by this Article shall be applied on all source or special fissionable material in all peaceful nuclear activities within the territory of such State, under its jurisdiction, or carried out under its control anywhere."

    Yes, each facility that is suspected of nuclear production, whether they do or not, is subject to inspection. Iran has repeatedly violated this article.
     
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    It is non-sense and has nothing to do with Iran's nuclear case.
    I told you that no one ever said that but Israel and USA did that several times.
    Only the added protocol allows inspection of the suspected sites, which Iran didn't accept.
     
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    WHEN HAS IRAN VIOLATED THE NPT!!!???

    There are HUNDREDS OF PAGES of IAEA and U.N. Documentation to this effect.

    The MOMENT Iran removed all Digital Video Camera's from Iranian Nuclear Facilities IRAN VIOLATED THE NPT!

    When Iran....and Iran was REALLY STUPID TO DO THIS....DUG SECRET UNDERGROUND ENRICHMENT FACILITIES....it violated the NPT.

    What makes no sense is anyone involved in the Iranian Nuclear Program WOULD KNOW....that the United States possessed the Deep Ground Penetrating Radars to locate these secret underground Iranian Nuclear Enrichment Facilities so it seems that Iran's own Nuclear Engineer's want to slow down Iran's enrichment process because THEY WOULD KNOW WE WOULD DISCOVER THESE UNDERGROUND IRANIAN NUCLEAR FACILITIES...yet they said NOTHING to the Iranian Old Religious Guard.

    If Iran makes the mistake of announcing it has Nuclear Weapon's....the U.S. Military will have no choice but to Invade Iran.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    The thing is a U.S. Military Invasion of Iran would be much better than Israel Bombing all Iranian Nuclear Facilities as this would poison the entire Middle East with Radioactive Dust!!!

    The United States would not allow this and would not BOMB Iranian Nuclear Facilities as we would SEIZE ALL OF THEM.

    The Iranian Navy, Air Force and Regular Army would most likely STAND DOWN as they would be needed to protect a NEW DEMOCRATIC IRAN.

    Unfortunately the U.S. Military most likely would have to destroy all Republican Guard Divisions as well as any Qud's Force and Secret Religious Police.

    Hopefully it will never come to this.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Not everyone!
     
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    Mojtaba Atarodi, while arrested, was never prosecuted or convicted of attempting to procure equipment for Iran's (non-existant) nuclear weapons program. "Innocent until proven guilty" and apparently the US government didn't have the evidence to even prosecute Atarodi. The US has a history of arresting Iranians based upon unsupported allegations that would never stand up in a court of law.

    There is no evidence Mojtaba Atarodi's release was in anyway related to the nuclear agreement reached between the P5+1 and Iran.
     
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    That is true. Some want nothing short of war with Iran. They don't want peace but instead, for political reasons, will only be satisfied if the US invades Iran, overthrows the government, and puts it's own tyrannical regime in charge.
     
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    Exactly! Our foot print is all over the globe. Especially in those countries where it matters.
     
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    Unlikely that a new POTUS (if it is a Republican) is going to convince anyone to backtrack the deal. They just need a replacement for "I will repeal Obamacare" to pander to the base.
     
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    Hillary will wear Bill's North Korean nuclear deal like a millstone around her neck in 2016.
     
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    What does that have to do with Iran?
     
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    That was part of the deal everyone agreed to with the understanding that they can be reinstated if Iran backslides on their part of the deal. Again, the parties seem in agreement that they have sufficient ability to monitor what's going on to insure that Iran cannot conceal their development of a nuke.
     
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    What if Iran successfully conceals treaty violations from the US due to inspection inadequacies in the Iran-IAEA side agreements?
     
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    Highly unlikely.

    The U.S. possesses Wordwide Radiation Detection Systems that are sensitive in the extreme.

    Along with Deep Ground Penetrating Radar we have a very accurate accounting of exactly how much Weapons Grade Uranium Iran possesses.

    The difference of 5 to 10 Fission Bombs in the 5 to 7 Kiloton Range will not deter a U.S. Military Invasion.

    We have Military capabilities which are....unreal....and are considered LAST USE.

    Iran had better PRAY we never pull one of these weapons systems out of the War Chest.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    No use personnel or equipment will ever set foot in Iran for inspections. The US doesn't even know what the side agreements between Iran and the IAEA provide. No one here has read them.
     
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    This is all a gamble.

    We will know within 18 to 24 months whether Iran intends to honor the ageement.

    It Iran does not...the U.S. will do whatever is necessary to preverve the NPT.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    The NPT has slipped into the mists of history. That world is over.
     
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    Iran is the test bed.

    It all depends upon what happens in Iran and how we respond.

    From everything I have been told...we will not ollow under any circumstances the NPT to be breached.

    AboveAlpha
     

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