Irony when racists pretend to be concerned about the abortion rates of black women?

This seems to be a new fad I've noticed over the last year or so.

And I don't mean this as a blanket accusation, that simply caring about the abortion rates of black women is ironic. No, what I'm talking about here is when people who have already illustrated their views on race in a generally prejudicial bigoted direction suddenly claim to be concerned about "black genocide" because of abortion.

You'll find some of those folks here on this forum. People you'll find speaking in threads about different topics who tend to speak about black folks, or minorities in general, as a separate lower class of people. And I'm sure this phenomenon occurs in many other forums and comment sections and conversations as well.

Should we take people seriously who've shown themselves to be prejudicial in the past when they now pretend to be aghast at abortion statistics for black people? I find it hard to believe they actually care about black people and much easier to believe they think this is a great attack against both abortion and their twisted perception that liberals support the culling of black folks through abortion. Like this is by design, or that black women are being funneled into abortion clinics.

Has anyone else noticed this new ridiculous trend?

 

While I haven't noticed a trend I have noticed that when the subject rears it's head it is so transparent that defenders haven't any defense.....and most see right through it.

 

I haven't so much noticed that as I have noticed that the heavier the racial tension perpetuated by the media becomes, the more it is perpetuated here as well. People who claim to hold higher levels of thinking still fall right into the left/right bait trap of their favorite news sources, and it happens on both sides. The forum seems to mirror much of America with growing racial hate and tension, although here it is often more subtle but still plainly obvious.

 

they are trying to defend their pro-life stance while attacking blacks for getting abortions, then on other threads they attack them for having children they can't afford.. ironic

 

Heh. How would you feel if the "racists" posted about how much the support Planned Parenthood, that they're doing God's work, and praise Margret Sanger for the good work she did in minority communities?

 

I would ask them to expand both assertions.

Firstly what they mean by PP doing God's work, and secondly what they mean by Sangers good work in minority communities, I'm sure IF any replies were forth coming it would show their racist nature and probably be based on conjecture, misrepresentation and out of context quotations.

 

So it's not what is being said, it's who is saying it? If Hillary Clinton said it, it's not racist I assume? Didn't she say God Bless Planned Parenthood?

 

That is your misinterpretation. It doesn't matter who is saying it what matters is the reason behind saying it.

eg.

PP is doing God's work because .... it means more "black babies" being killed ... racist
PP is doing God's work because .... they supply services to the poorest people ... not racist

praise Margret Sanger for the good work she did in minority communities .. because .. she targeted minorities to eliminate them .. racist (and untrue)
praise Margret Sanger for the good work she did in minority communities .. because .. she helped minorities understand birth control that allowed them to control the number of children they had .. not racist (and true)

 

TBH I cannot understand why they do it, the intention and goal is a clear as glass and it has nothing to do with "black genocide"

 

Yes, but the whole point of this thread is that "racists" are complaining that black babies are being aborted and Sanger wanted to wipe out blacks and other minorities. I'm trying to figure out what is racist about that. As for "racists" saying that PP is doing God's work ect...has any "racist" on this thread said that? I was just tossing that out as a theoretica, but I'm trying to figure out who the "racists" are that want to save black babies. They don't sound like they are very good at being racist.

 

Read the OP it explains it clearly enough.

You did, that is what I responded to, the question you asked.

They are not interested in "saving kids" it is nothing more than a False equivalence of trying to equate the number of African-american abortions to PP trying to decimate African-americans and it is ironic and hypocritical when compared to the comments those very same people have made about Afrian-americans in other threads.

 

I wouldn't go as far to claim it's about racism as such. It's rather about discrediting Planned Parenthood using any means possible in order to get it shut down
.Pro life groups have completely failed in their attempt to persuade enough people to agree that abortion should be illegal , so they're using other methods. Shame on them.

 

I didn't even say they wanted to save black babies or even that they claim to want to save black babies. I just said they talk about the high abortion rates in some places for black women and call it black genocide. It's usually attached to a zinger about liberals in some way.

And as far as Margaret Sanger goes, how much do you think she has to do with the pro-choice opinions people have, and especially the younger generations? I know of her and her connection to the issue, but that's about it. I was pro-choice long before I ever knew a thing about what she did and I'd be pro-choice(or whatever term meant that in the alternate reality, butterfly effect and such) even if she had never existed. People bring her up often enough that I have to wonder why it's even done. Should we as pro-choice people feel an obligation to defend her, or set the record straight? I don't feel any such loyalty or obligation. She's long dead, decades before I was even born.

 

Sanger was anti-abortion, but rather opposed continuing criminalization of contraceptives - which was illegal in most states back then.

The Catholic Church declared war on her for her support of legalization of contraceptives. Because the Catholic Church is the driving force in the prolife abortion stance, prolifers gratuitously agree and condemn her for abortions - which is a false.

 

I actually think this argument is more an attempt to paint the opposite side as hypocritical, as Fugazi implied. Liberals are often seen as pro-ethnic minorities, but in the pro-lifer's view abortion is disproportionately "hurting" those minorities by "murdering" them as babies.

Actually if there were an intelligent racist, they probably would support PP. Most of what PP does is contraceptive services, which reduces unwanted pregnancies. Unwanted pregnancies often lead to abortion (which is why pro-life people should support PP), but unwanted pregnancies also more often result in birth than, well, successful contraception. If we assume that certain poor, ethnic minorities disproportionately use PP, then the net effect of PP is fewer abortions and fewer offspring from the poor ethnic minorities. Racists want fewer of the ethnic people, and pro-lifers want fewer abortions. Therefore both pro-lifers and racists should support PP.... frankly, everybody should.

 

Perhaps they are pointing out the hypocrisy.

 

What hypocrisy ??

The hypocrisy the OP pointed out here ?:

"""what I'm talking about here is when people who have already illustrated their views on race in a generally prejudicial bigoted direction suddenly claim to be concerned about "black genocide" because of abortion.""""

 

You'll have to give me an example of a racist being concerned about black babies. It doesn't naturally go together I would think.

 

Sanger keeps coming up because she was a noted eugenicist. Of course, that was a common opinion of the intellectual classes of the time. It went out of favor after WWII for some reason.... So what makes her remarkable is that rather than just expressing her opinion in a drawing room over a brandy, she actually did something about it. So regardless of what your opinion of abortion or family planning for minorities, whether Sanger had existed or not, the origins of Planned Parenthood in this reality have racist origins. Your intentions however may be totally different from hers.

 

Sanger's specific campaigning was against laws that criminalized contraceptives. Anytime prolife attacks Sanger it is an attack against contraceptives, as she was instrumental in the abolishment of laws making usage and sale of contraceptives a crime.

The argument she used to the rich - meaning who controlled government - was that the lowly educated are having huge numbers of children and contraceptives would prevent this. The reasoning the rich and powerful used to justify their wealth was that they were genetically superior and thus it God's will they were rich and in control. However, they also feared the growing numbers of poor people - particularly blacks - so this was an excellent sales pitch for Sanger to make.

Did the means she used of agreeing with racists who controlled to convince them to contradict the Catholic Church by making contraceptives legal justified by that result? I think so.

Most people understand that for a class of poor people to advance they need to limit the number of children they have to how many they can afford to educate can care for. The rich didn't need contraceptives because they could afford illegal abortions in other countries and could afford lots of children. However, they also had reason to fear a geometric increasing in poor people at the danger of revolution. The rich have power over the poor, until the poor gather with weapons to take that power away by violence - such as the French nobility learned - all their heads chopped off and that not ancient history at the time.

Sanger knew how to use the racism and fear of blacks of the white rich and powerful and their fear of the growing masses of poor people to end the criminalization of contraceptives. They feared violence and potential political power by the growing numbers of blacks more than they feared the political power of the Catholic Church. White voters also feared losing more of their jobs to cheap, poor blacks who were paid less.

Yes, the Catholic Church's control of politicians was finally defeated and contraceptives made legal does have its roots in racism. A brilliant tactic by Sanger, huh?

Too many people try to rewrite history for their own agenda. Planned Parenthood and Sanger's origins is in the legal uses of contraceptives, not abortions. It was only when the SC ruled in Roe V Wade did abortion have anything to do with Planned Parenthood. To assert PP was created for abortions is just ignorance of history.

 

Wow that's quite a revision, Sanger used racism to help black people!

I like that. With that line, you can justify anything she did. Did she give speeches to the Klan? Yes but she was using their stupid racism to help blacks... I admit, I love it!

 

She may well have, though no record of it. I understand that actual reality doesn't matter to you, only slogans, and that you will rewrite history accordingly. I imagine you're outraged as the Allies lied and tricked Hitler on where the invasion was coming too, huh?

What I presented is the actual history, nor did she advocate legalizing contraceptives only for blacks. What is the historic falsity promoted by prolife/Catholic church is that Sanger was pro-abortion and advocated abortions to kill unborn black babies. She was anti-abortion as another reason to legalize contraceptives.

 

When it comes to reality, that's what I'm concerned with. You are the one that decided to make up a totally fictional concept of Sanger using racism.

Don't get me wrong, I like it, it's hilarious, but please, don't try to confuse that with reality.

 

The reality was that Sanger wasn't racist, she was Anti-Abortion and she is long dead

 

She functioned within political realities to obtain goals as much as anyone else does today. Sanger had NOTHING to do with abortion. She opposed it. But you bury that away for your agenda. So, therefore, you obviously oppose legalized contraceptives, right, because everyone is straight up exactly in their goals and motives and therefore criticism of Sanger is OBVIOUSLY in opposition to contraceptives as your reason to oppose planned parenthood.

Finally, eugenics is not the same as racism, is it? Most people sterilized under eugenics laws were white.