The Book of Revelation Unlocked

... but all Hebrews are Black,... right?

 

The first sentence of what?

That's almost like "Are you still beating your wife?" The Bible makes it easy to see what a flawed role model it presents: a vengeful God who blames his creatures for the weaknesses he created in them, and a self-proclaimed jealous God; a God who has the ego defense mechanisms of the humans who invented him, and a God whose standards are not up to par for a being of high quality consciousness (such as wanting praise and worship).

It was and is far worse in the South; you and everybody else knows it. That's where desegregation was most strongly opposed, and LBJ had to send troops to Alabama to enforce the law. Justice was served in the NYPD case, and I don't see how proof of a bad cop there justifies condemning an entire race. It's all part of your injustice collecting. I guess isolated justice isn't good enough for you, you want a bloodbath.

That's your statement from an informed viewpoint. I'm not impressed. As an aside, when her travel progress to a staff meeting with the state governor was behind schedule, she took over from the driver to assume responsibility for going 80-90 MPH. A cop who stopped her for speeding let her go when she asked him if he wanted to be named for making her late for the meeting with the governor.

I've never seen a black person refused food service. Besides my home state, as an adult and not just on military bases, I've been through Hawaii, Arizona, Pennsylvania, some of the New England states, and the Bahamas. I'll take my chances with my bubble. Eww, another supernatural-based guarantee of destruction to be added to the collection.

 

The world is literally hell,... for sure.
But the long term effect of civilization and monotheism has shown that rates of murder have fallen over the last centuries from about 7.5 killings per 100,000 people to about just one, now.
This illustrates a long term improvement over the last 1000 years now:



My point is that in spite of what slavery did to Black people, things have improved, and gotten much better everywhere, especially in America.

 

Those are homicides. What about casualties of war? Oh, those are different, right? Several 100 thousand people in Gaza dead thanks to Israel. That doesn't include those killed by ISIS that the CIA funded.

Focus, Gelecski. I'm asking you a simple question. How would you know what a good role model looks like when your own people massacred 100 million black people, 77 million Native Americans, 20 million Caribbean Natives, 6 million North Koreans, etc. etc. etc. You aren't in the position to tell anyone who God is when Edomites such as yourself couldn't help by kill several hundred thousand black people in Black Wall Street, or caused nearly 4,000 reports of black lynchings.

Edomites are so evil that it's ridiculous.
1) Edomites poison the food and water of their own population just to:
a) Create a nation of lower IQ people (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/08/07/effects-of-fluoride-to-children.aspx)
b) To kill them off with cancer (http://www.collective-evolution.com...iverkidney-damage-severe-hormonal-disruption/)

2) Edomites have destroyed the history and heritage of an entire race of people and REFUSE to own up to it. Not a single Edomite here can explain the black nobility coat of arms. Not one.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI396xyZ-fw

3) Edomites love war and killing. Currently, the United States spends 6 times the budget for health care for military defense! 6 times!!
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_ States

Who cares how much "worse" it is. Edomites still target black people. Period.

You live in a bubble. You have no idea what you're talking about. Cling on to that white privilege.
[video=youtube;eqN_8ZH1J_Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqN_8ZH1J_Q[/video]

Stay in that bubble. That's why God will destroy you Edomites.

Obadiah 8 (ERV) says, "The Lord says, “On that day I will destroy the wise people from Edom. I will destroy the intelligent people from the mountain of Esau."

And yes, Jesus called you Edomites the children of Satan. You can tell who Jesus is talking to, because the Pharisees (who were Edomites) were able to claim to be Abraham's descendants, but also said they have never been slaves. That means they weren't the Children of Israel, but rather, the descendants of Esau.

John 8:33-44 (ERV) says,

They answered, “We are Abraham’s descendants. And we have never been slaves. So why do you say that we will be free?”

Jesus said, “The truth is, everyone who sins is a slave—a slave to sin. A slave does not stay with a family forever. But a son belongs to the family forever. So if the Son makes you free, you are really free. I know you are Abraham’s descendants. But you want to kill me, because you don’t want to accept my teaching. I am telling you what my Father has shown me. But you do what your father has told you.”

They said, “Our father is Abraham.”

Jesus said, “If you were really Abraham’s descendants, you would do what Abraham did. I am someone who has told you the truth I heard from God. But you are trying to kill me. Abraham did nothing like that. So you are doing what your own father did.”

But they said, “We are not like children who never knew who their father was. God is our Father. He is the only Father we have.”

Jesus said to them, “If God were really your Father, you would love me. I came from God, and now I am here. I did not come by my own authority. God sent me. You don’t understand the things I say, because you cannot accept my teaching. Your father is the devil. You belong to him. You want to do what he wants. He was a murderer from the beginning. He was always against the truth. There is no truth in him. He is like the lies he tells. Yes, the devil is a liar. He is the father of lies.

Your question ought to be: when did white people come into the picture? The answer to that is - very recently!
Source: http://news.sciencemag.org/archaeology/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

Whites did not establish power until the very late 1400s to the early 1500s. Why so late in history? Because they were mostly barbarians and did not have most of a history to begin with. Before you bring up Rome, understand that the African Moors conquered Rome in 193 AD. Most of the world was ruled and populated by black people. So, when you ask me if the Hebrews were black, well... Most of the world was.

 

I've looked and see nothing but your ideas. If you had lived a 1000 years ago you would have no doubt used other figures and dates relating to the 1000 years between Revelation and 1000 CE. The birth of the USA is still 800 years in the future.

2 billion people do nothing of the sort. I had many years involvement in the church before becoming agnostic a
I can confidently repudiate your remarks. Most Church goers/Christians (in the UK anyway) avoid the Revelation teaching like the plague (oops), just hoping for the good ending. There are so many different interpretations I can fairly confidently say that this is the greatest SciFi Mystery story ever told.

I'm confident that even 'John' (or Jesus from heaven) could have written things in simpler terms if people had been meant to understand it as the future. Jesus didn't wrap things up while on earth. He told them plainly. The Temple will be destroyed if you continue this way. When he talks about the Abomination of desolation they knew what he meant - it had happened before. For 'John' to hide things in symbols meant it needed to be hidden from someone, and who else but the Jews enemies - the Romans.
To me one significant factor is this. Roman religion was flexible enough to accept infleunces and ideas from other religions such as the Greek. But not Judaism. Judaism was alien to them. So when 'John' wrote using Hebrew scriptures it is unlikely Romans would recognise themselves.

Still my view is only one of thousands

And your right. I'm 76. If I live as long as some of my relatives I've around another 14 years.

 

""the entire Christian religion is anti Christ"

The plot of deceit.

The "Beast" can't recognize itself.

When you turn On the lights in the house, you won't do it to look directly at the light bulbs because will blind you. You look at what the light illuminates. The same way, if the messiah claims he is the light, the point is not to look at him but to see what are things illuminated by him.(his words, which are not "his" but from the Father, and his actions)

If a person doesn't become like the messiah (words and actions) then this person simply won't make it. The messiah "obeyed" the father, and if by any reason -because modern interpretations of the bible, because new doctrines from the church denomination, because "it won't fit" your way of life, etc.) religious people don't do the same, then they simply won't make it.

Obedience is also to give all the credit to God, this is to say, every word coming out from your mouth, every action, must be according to what God (the Father) states. The son didn't come to change anything, he came to make things HARDER.

The explanation for this, is like comparing it with the school curriculum.

No one learns complicated Algebra in the first grade elementary school. The first school years are mostly simple concepts and lots of singing and playing.

The higher the school level means the lesser playing and the greater input of knowledge.

The same is supposed to happen with believers. A church with lots of "playing" and little knowledge is a "kindergarten church". And these are many. Millions of believers assist to kindergarten churches where playing is the attraction, fun, and purpose.

High school churches still have some fun in class, have better understanding of what the bible is about, and live more close to what the biblical doctrines require.

Master degree university churches are hard to find because the lack of teachers (lol)

Still, you are hitting a good point which is essential to understand the prophecies, which is to be first a true follower who will take the ego away in order to become a member of God's family.

We must remember that God can "use" any person for his purposes, but this won't mean that this "chosen" person will be a saint. We can understand that God uses an enemy king to punish the disobedience of God's chosen people.

Beware is God is using you to deceive others, in order to test their faith.

If your ego is away, if you obey God's commandments, if your intentions are no other but the good of your neighbor, and so forth, then your message may come from God.

In my case, my ego tells me that my messages are well intended, but surely I'm not a man of God.

I research, but I don't worship.

Still, from my point of view, is a man has not acquired wisdom, his words lack of worth, and his interpretations lead to error.

All opinions and interpretations are welcomed to be read, and discussing them is encouraged as well. But, if anyone of the posters became "the winner", then ego has won.

Time to start all over again.

 

But you saw the New Testament verses match the Old Testament verses for two dozen matches between Elijah and Jesus, yet you discard the truth it revealed in Bibles now 2000 years old.

Why would anyone expect you to believe History has fulfilled prophecy, when what you can read has zero effect on you??

 

Is this the way you mean that passage ought read?

 

Well the Asteroid that hit Earth and caused the extinction of the Dinosaur's 65 Million years ago was in the Cretaceous Period not Jurassic.

And Human's exist because of it.

AboveAlpha

 

Hmmm,... so who chased the Black Israeli out of Israel and burned down their Temple except the Black or White Romans who were Edom?

 

In the 1500s? Edomites did.

Who do you think Satan is, and how do you think he works?

 

I don't trust anyone who claims they can interpret the bible for others. Jim jones and David both claimed to have it figured out.

 

Satan (as defined in religious dictionaries as well as college level dictionaries) is an angel. It works at the pleasure of God and must have permission from God to accomplish anything that it sets out to accomplish. Now what are you defending against?

 

Your way is focus on the negative and away from anything that runs counter to your narrow minded obsession. The bottom line is you have a faulty God-concept from a faulty book, your God stinks, and you think a genocidal solution is the only solution.

I just answered your question, but that answer means nothing to you because it does not serve your agenda. You just keep repeating the same crap. You insist that I answer your question your way, but your way is a sick way.

No sensible person looks for a positive solution by focusing exclusively on all the worst failures of the past, but that's certainly your forte.

I am pleased to have been among those who have contributed to exposing you for what you are.

 

History has shown that those who interpret the Bible are those who are resonsible for wars, death and genocide on mass scales.

It is unfortunate that many people still have not learned the lessons taught by History.

AboveAlpha

 

I meant to say David Koresh.

 

I'm too focused on the negative? Ok. Name one thing Edomites have done that helped the world? Just one.

So, you're unsure who Satan is, then? Yes, he's an angel, but you don't understand how he works.
First off, Satan has a nation of people and his nation of people began since the days of Cain.

If you understood who this nation was, the bible would probably open itself to you a little bit more.
Remember how Jesus said that He would separate the goats from the sheep (Matthew 25:31-46)? Who are the goats? You'll say the "evil" people right? However, Edomites have a lot of pride and believe that God views them as individuals. Yet, they don't realize that, as individuals, they contribute to a bigger evil they cannot see, or refuse to see.

What I'm trying to do, Incorporeal, is open your eyes. Once your eyes are open, what I'm saying will make sense to you.

 

No I didn't. I pointed out to you at the time, and since, the errors in some of these comparisons.

 

No! That is your presumption not my understanding.You may well call it a 'nation' but I prefer to call it an hierarchy, such as is found and used in military ranking.

If you would quit speculating and guessing what other people understand, you would probably run into less conflict.

Nope! Now see how badly your speculations can lead you. It is reported in the 'Bible' that Jesus also said that the sheep would hear his voice and would follow him.

If that is what you want to believe, then believe it. I, on the other hand will not engage in this needless struggle of your regarding matters of racism.

Don't bother. My spiritual eyes are open far enough to recognize who is knocking at my door is not the Messiah, Jesus, King of Kings and Lord of Lords.... so go on down the road and peddle your wares elsewhere.

 

Seriously, you think the answer to that question supports your agenda??

From the perspective of your race, candidates are the Civil Rights Act and Affirmative Action. Not big enough?

Uncle Sam sent money and relief supplies to areas of the world that experienced natural disasters. C-141 aircrews recall missions carrying vital cargo that helped earthquake victims etc., as part of the legacy of that aircraft.

Many years ago there was concern about the food shipments to drought stricken areas of Africa being seized by rifle-toting gangs instead of reaching refugees.

In more recent times, the internet facilitated individual monetary donations to help people in times of disaster (Katrina, Haiti).

Previously I cited the influence of Britain and France towards abolition of slavery in African countries.

Our help in restricting the conquests of ISIS saved multitudes who were on the verge of being slaughtered.

Now maybe you can tell us what "the chosen ones" have done to help the world.

 

Are you still claiming that the Edomites were European??

 

The Edomites became Jews when conquered by Hyrcanus and were also renamed Idumeans by the Greeks. Around 400 years later they disappear from history.

Herod the Great was an Idumean. Despite being a despicable King he was the greatest builder of his time, and one if his sons also built cities. I suggest Herod helped the world of his time.

With Edomites/Idumeans disappearing from history it's hard to suggest anything else.

 

Fine.
The world will be no better or worse one way or the other.
You avoid the truth, doubt everything, and let the sexually promiscuous people destroy every successful empire and advanced society one after the next.

You ignore the Bible which tells you this, and avoid the Facts of Statistic which also say the same thing.
Your kind of human will become extinct, and only the wise and truth loving people will evolve into the future.

 

?
The Jews were chased out of Israel by the Black Romans, and their temple was destroyed way before 1500 AD.

 

the Edomites haven't existed for 2,000 years.

they were absorbed into the Jews.