Hillsboro High students walk out over transgender dispute

No, they're not. Green is green regardless of how you or I perceive it.

I'm actually color blind. I have a red-green deficiency. Nevertheless, my inaccurate perception of green doesn't make green any less green than it is.

Now, rather than demand that society change the definition of green to match my inaccurate perception, we're all much better off if I simply recognize the fact that my green color receptors are flawed and I accept that and deal with it as best I can. You aren't doing me any favors by pretending that my flawed perception of green can be correct if believe hard enough and everyone else pretends with me. Reality simply doesn't work that way.

Wally

 

Some people see green as red, some people see purple as blue, again, it's all about the perception created by the eyes. In reality there are no colors.

Again, I say fund the program for sex changes and require them to sign over their rights to freeze sperm.

With no sperm, their DNA pool dies off. Leaving us with fewer and fewer *genetic* (Thats the argument right now, I don't believe so.) mishaps as time passes.

 

You're advocating lobotomizing LGBT people?

What the actual (*)(*)(*)(*) is wrong with you?

 

Nope, but it would solve the problem.

My solution is in the next post.

 

Discrimination can be a good thing.

 

Color is NOT debatable. Color is science. Light reflecting or being absorbed. It can be measured, calculated....proved.

If YOU think the sky is purple but 100 people see it as blue, guess what? It's blue. You can perceive anything you want but without 3rd party agreement you're still wrong. Of course some people live life that their reality is the only realty. Everyone should adapt to them.

If you perforce yourself as an elephant, it doesn't matter what you think. You're NOT an elephant.

 

Perception is irrelevant to reality. It doesn't matter if some people see blue as purple. It remains blue. The properties that make it blue, its inherent blueness, the things that make it different from purple, remain intact regardless of what you call it or if you even call it anything at all.

Again, perception is irrelevant to reality. The fact that some folks might look at the moon and see a big ball of cheese doesn't make the moon a big ball of cheese, and we're not doing these people any favors by pretending with them that it is.

Wally

 

Sorry, I play make believe with my 5 year old. Not going to entertain the delusions of adults

 

We don't need to be accomodating mental disorders, of which gender dysphoria is an example. We need to give him a safe place to change, but he is not a girl, he just has the mentally disordered belief that he should be a girl.

 

DSM 5 is the one that was updated in 2013. DSM IV came out in 2000, so there are usually at least ten years or so between updates.

 

Actually DSM IV came out in 1994. A "Text Revision" to DSM IV came out in 2000. And theyve already said theyve switched to DSM 5 instead of DSM V, so they can have more frequent updates. 5.1,5.2,5.3 etc.

 

So basically, you're advocating genocide and you have no respect for individual autonomy.

Also, there is no problem. LGBT people and our civil rights are not a problem.

 

The rights of some mental patient do not trump the rights of everyone else.

 

That's true, the problem is that the thing you're saying is completely unrelated to any matter at hand.

Of course, I'm being facetious. I know what you were trying to imply, but what you're trying to imply is so ignorant that I feel that it would be insulting to you to just assume it.

In any matter: Your understanding of psychology is pitiful. I've only read a couple of wikipedia articles and the DSM, yet my understanding still dwarfs yours by an immeasurable magnitude. There is a difference between an atypicality and an illness. Something can only be called an illness if it is directly harmful to the person with the atypicality. LGBT people are not harmed by our sexual orientations. We're harmed by people like you. All of the miseries you like to list to try to disparage us are a direct result of the impact you and your ilk have upon the world.

 

Well, I work in the medical field, so I doubt you 'dwarf' me in psychology, or much of anything.

If I go around thinking and telling everyone I'm Elvis, and then filing lawsuits when people don't believe me, I'm either an idiot or mentally ill. Even if I grow my sideburns, wear a white jumpsuit, and walk down the streets singing his songs, down deep I'm not Elvis. If DNA tests, historical facts, etc prove without a shadow of a doubt that i'm not Elvis, and yet I insist that I am, then I have a mental disorder. Now tell me what the difference is between that example and a transgender.

 

Clearly not mental medicine.

You seriously don't understand the difference between gender dysphoria and an identity delusion?

There's three very important factors. Firstly, there's basis in fact for their identification. Two, unlike delusional or somatoform disorders, psychiatric medicine does not produce a response, and three, allowing them to pursue their identities is far from destructive and actually produces positive results.

There's also the fact that gender identity is partially determined by brain structure formed in early fetal development. Gender dysphoria also correlated with endocrine conditions: People designated female at birth with conditions that cause high testosterone are drastically more likely to be trans, as well as vice versa. In fact, a single biological male with a condition that causes an inability to respond to testosterone identifying as a man was such a big deal that it merits publication (See "Male Gender Identity in Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome", Clinical Case Report Series of the Archives of Sexual Behavior, June 2011 Volume 40, Issue 3, pp 635-638/)

Most importantly though: Therapies designed to cure trans feelings simply don't work. If medicine doesn't make something go away and it doesn't cause any adverse effects, there's no point to calling it an illness. Meanwhile, people with Body Dysmorphia despond to SSRIs, which indicates that transgenderism is not a form of Body Dysmorphia.

 

He didn't call it an illness and its not being directly "harmful" that makes it a dysphoria and is instead merely "distress". And these are the same changes first made to homosexuality before it was delisted from the DSM. Same thing they have suggested for pedophilia.

 

There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest any such thing. Suicide is just as prevalent among post op transgenders as it is for those transgenders who have not gone through sex reassignment surgery. That's why Johns Hopkins closed their Sex reassignment clinic. In follow up studies they couldn't find a shred of evidence that it did a thing to improve their mental health.

 

You can accurate measure the wavelength of any color it is entirely measurable and predictable.

 

the parents of this boy need to get him help for his mental condition.