Could you vote for an atheist for President?

What principles unique and indicative of Christians which I as an atheist do not share was this country founded on?

And where are these "Christian Principles" expressed in our founding documents? Start with reconciling the right to believe in whatever god you choose or none at all with the prime Christian principle

Thy shall have no other god before me.......

Where is that principle in the Constitution?

 

“We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

 

And yet it is the essence of our equality in freedom, our rights in freedom, and of freedom itself. Otherwise there would never have been a United States of America. You should read our Declaration of Independence sometime.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness......

"And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

 

The only form of atheism that you can sort of call a religion is "active" atheism. That's where someone claims to know that there is no god.

Passive atheism merely goes with the logical default of Occam's Razor or logical positivism.

 

"their Creator" that is whatever you believe your creator to be not necessarily a god or particularly the Christian god. And life, liberty and pursuit of happiness are not unique Christian principles, shared across lots of cultures and philosophies.

And are you trying to assert that I as an atheist do not hold to the principles of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Where did you get the idea only Christians believe that?

 

they were referring to the money God there

that is why we put "in God we trust" on out money

though Christians, Muslims and Jews think it was their God too



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I asserted nothing. Feeling guilty?

 

So it really should read "In Gods we trust" to be politically correct

 

No..I could not..I value my principles regarding church and god to much. The Declaration of Independence cites God 4 times as the authority to claim freedom.

 

Ahhhhh, that is in the 1950's that came about not the 1770's.

And had they singularly meant the Christian god they would have said, or said THE Creator. They left it open to all interpretations the bottom line those rights being natural rights which all sorts of religious and philosophical beliefs hold a core principles.

So again to everyone what are the specific Christian principles in our founding that some would claim I as an atheist do not hold and explain why if we are founded on Christian principles that the first article of the Bill of Rights declares you can worship whatever you want or not at all and the body of the Constitution guaranties there will be no religious test to hold high office.

 

or "In God(s) we trust"

 

ROFL no are you for making a false assertion?

Again what are these Christian principles unique and indicative of Christians that you believe we were founded upon. And BTW there have been lots of times in history where Christianity did have a huge part in the governance and there was little freedom and liberty and pursuit of happiness nor core principles of our country.

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Hope about "in us we trust"?

 

or remove the quote altogether, works for me too, as it's really meaningless either way

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Abraham Lincoln was borderline atheist in his early years imo, I'm glad too see he changed his mind.

 

Let's use the original E Pluribus Unum

 

I would have trouble believing in the intelligence of anyone who stands in the middle of all THIS and says, "Nope! No way! This was definitely NOT created by anyone or anything!" We've already had two uncomprehending idiots in a row in the White House... a third one will finish us.

I don't care if our new president worships "The Great Tree Lizard", but to completely reject even the possibility that all THIS was created betrays an endemic dementia too frightening to put in any position of power or authority.

 

In a truly secular state, a candidate's religion or lack of one should be irrelevant.

 

Why remove it? It's historical. The phrase goes as far back as the American Civil War and phrase was originated in the Star Spangled Banner....our national anthem. It's written in the bible and many people including children in school used the phrase after the 9/11 attacks by making posters, banners etc. and posted them everywhere. I'm sure you've seen it. The phrase is patriotic. It has nothing to do with religion. I know as an American, I wouldn't want the quote taken off all currency. What's next? Stop saluting the flag?

 

It's a religious phrase not a patriotic phrase. Why should the motto of the entire country exclude a huge portion of it?

 

The poll should be the other way around. The problem is not the lack of religion but the amount of religious baggage you bring to the office.

Atheist? Yes
Religious? Depends on what religion and the severity of said belief.

 

let's go back to the historical quote used before the religious nuts changed it

"E Pluribus Unum" works for me.... out of many, one

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I would prefer an atheist, but we've got a long way to go before that happens.

 

The Confederate flag is historical, and there is a determined movement to have it banned, let alone not saluting it.

 

Whooops! I voted "no" because I was tired and misunderstood the question.

Yes I would vote for an atheist President. I think they would be the most fair-minded candidates. So long as they are not one of those annoying atheists that wants to get rid of religion all together. If the Atheist leaves the religious folks alone, then why not?

 

Yes it is but I was talking about the US American Flag...