Trump's Dream a Reality

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  1. BPman

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    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/22/it-works-yuma-fence-manpower-make-border-nearly-impenetrable/


    And they said it wouldn't work!!! :clapping: This is why Trump is going to win!! The people are fed up with Pedro loping into the country and his woman dropping a passel of children along the way who then proceed to milk Uncle Sugar. :steamed: It will be a glorious day when we see a mass exodus of Illegals from this once great country and we get back to the rule of law. Perhaps the illegals can navigate back on the river of tears the Libs will be shedding!! :smile:

    Trump for the win!! :clapping:
     
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    I will vote for him or Carson.
     
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    now if only we could combine the fence, with the "REAL ID" law, and imprison employers who hire illegals... we might not even need the fence part... but since some states are ignoring the real id law and issuing licenses incorrectly... we might need the fence more than anything...
     
  4. Alwayssa

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    Building a wall with a limited point to point will only change the direction of the flow.

    Building a wall from one end of the pacific to the gulf of Mexico will only show that the US is becoming the DPNK.
     
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    It is impossible for Trump to beat Hillary.
     
  6. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even if you could completely shut off the border, and deport every illegal immigrant, your own life would not change one iota. Not one bit.
     
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    Keeping immigration legit, aka legal, is doable, it just takes will. Granted, there's no way to ensure that all those that immigrate here do so legally, but we can do infinitely better than we're doing now.

    The solutions are simple, but the obstacles are immense. The main obstacle being those who're hellbent on destroying our immigration system, for various reasons.

    The three major steps for fixing our illegal immigration problem-

    -Punish those who hire illegal immigrants. I'm not talking about a slap on the wrist, I'm talking something substantial, something preventative. If we can put people out of business for offending members of the LBGT community, we can make people fear the consequences of hiring those who're not even supposed to be here in the first place.

    -Constitutional convention; end Birthright Citizenship.

    -A real border... consisting of physical and technological barriers, plus 'boots on the ground'.

    All absolutely doable, all effective measures, but again it takes will. The greatest effort must be focused on those who oppose illegal immigration, as they're the biggest obstacle, the actual solutions are simple.
     
  8. Texan

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    I can think of 3 friends who would still be alive if we had done this already. But maybe the cute girl down the street deserved to be decapitated in a drunken car wreck by an illegal driving 90 mph in a residential area.
     
  9. Alwayssa

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    karma is karma and a man's fate is a man's fate.
     
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    Leaving the border open is showing the US is becoming "insert 3rd world country name here".

    Open borders is something rich people want. They live in gated communities and secure mansions they want their cheap labor. They do not care what happens outside their gates as long as they can get richer.
     
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    Are you kidding? First of all, there would be less traffic and with less of their clunkers on the road the air might clear up a little as those things pollute like hell. There would also be less crime and we'd all feel a bit safer.
     
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    You don't know that. With your murder rate they could have been killed by someone else eventually. In fact because immigrants have a lower crime rate than native born Americans you might have lost a few more friends if not for the immigrant population reducing crime rates.
     
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    LOL!.....
     
  14. AmericanNationalist

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    There are traitors amongst us, who regardless of their citizenship do not ever wish to see a secure border on the US ever again. These same traitors have grown up in a "peace time" that does not do respect to history. They didn't bother to read about Pearl Harbor, and what a massive sneak attack that was by the Japanese Empire at the time.

    Nor did they read(as I did), US Foreign Policy papers through the 1900's that gave respect to establishing borders on our Western Frontier and the Pacific Ocean. I wonder how Alwayssa would feel, reading those same papers and knowing our forefathers held the position that he compares to the DPNK.
     
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    Right, because only illegal immigrants drive cars that pollute.
     
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    The drunk driver skipped bail and is probably still living in Mexico. That's not karma.
     
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    What you ignore is that an immigrant can be illegal one day and legal another day, assuming the immigrant qualifies. Second, it does not deal with emigrant migration issues with the underlying problems why immigrants come here, legal or illegal. A majority of those who come here illegally are seeking a better life for themselves and family. So whether you build a wall or not will not stop those that come over here and are desperate to be here. Finally, if you make the fines too eccessive, businesses will not hire, or will hire AND discriminate toward those who "don't look like their illegal" or in other words, minorities.

    You may solve one problem, but you created three additional problems with your "solution."
     
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    You guys are killing me. You're not just defending illegals being here, now, in a round about way, you're justifying the bad things that happen because of them. Disgusting.
     
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    the border is not open. It is controlled. It is just not effectively controlled. BTW, I live on the border, more precisely a border state. Those who have been in this state for several generations are not the ones in this state pushing for tighter immigration controls. It is the ones who don't live in my state, like Colorado or Iowa, or those who recently move to the state and do not have one clue whatsoever about its history, lke Ted Cruz.
     
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    Would it have made a difference is the drunk driver was 19 year old college kid, starting QB of a FBS top 25 college team, whose parents had connections and money and yet your friend died anyway after the person was released?
     
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    The attack on Pearl Harbor was predicted in a naval exercise in 1937 where the USS Saratoga successfully attacked the Panama Canal. We thought, at that time, the Japanese were never capable of launching an attack some 3000 miles away. We were concerned, however, with the Philippines and its vast resources there.

    AND BTW, the events you mentioned have had nothing to do with immigration.
     
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    Qualification needs to occur before we let countless numbers in.

    It's fine that people want to come here for a better life for themselves and their family, but it's sensible that they do so legally. We have no obligation to accept illegal immigrants, and we can do something to greatly stymie the flow.

    And we can fine those who're proven to have discriminated against someone who's suspected of being illegal by appearance alone. Couple E-verify with even more harsh penalties for identity theft and false documentation.

    The problems of illegal immigrants are not the problems of natural born or legal citizens.
     
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    1)He crossed the border illegally, he doesn't qualify. It's THAT damn simple(to normal people anyway)

    2) Have you ever considered the possibility I don't care for their plight and that neither should we? The U.S is by far the most generous nation in the world with regards to Foreign Aid and what has it given us? 9/11 and other foreign troubles over the recent decades. Welfare expenses go up due to illegals, medical expenses, etc(which is what prompted the ACA reform.). U.S Money Matters.

    You're half-right that it might not change their motivations on coming to the U.S. It will hopefully change their methods(from illegal to legal). That's the idea of border enforcement.

    3)And minorities are presently suffering(along with everyone else) in the recent employment crunch. Don't you WANT them to get ahead? The point is to protect US Jobs. Which I know mainstream political parties(and you yourself it seems) are just not interested in doing.

    So there were no problems created, merely solved. Less spending and protecting US Jobs.
     
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    It has something to do with that thing called border protection. I could've also mentioned terrorism, but if I did I would've been called some kind of "nativist" in spite of the fact that ALL US Citizens(and legal immigrants) are nativists. They are all Americans.

    This is about protecting the U.S Mainland and all those who contribute to it and are a part of it.
     
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    That is fine on paper, but it does not fit reality. For starters, a lot of the illegals who become legal will go through the qualification process, wheher they are here or not. For example, an F1 visa holder becoming an H1b visa holder, a B1 visa overstay who marries a US citizen, has no criminal record in the US, and gets an adjustment of status. For refugees and asylees, it is a little harder. If they come here while escaping a communist country, like many Cubans, they get processed and legalized after they arrive here. your so called solution exapporates the issue with refugee and asylee, thus easier for you to ignore what is going on outside the window.

    In a perfect world, yes. But the more important issue is how to solve the root cause. That will not be solved by building a wall. It completely ignores it.

    E verify needs to be applied to everyone, including US citizens. It also needs to be improved and it needs assurances that employers do not fire prematurely an employee who receives a nonconfirmation notice.

    they are given the fact that many US citizens either have a relative who is illegal, married to one, knows one, etc.

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    And as a result, hundreds of thousands of Japanese persons, many of whom were US citizens, were rounded up and put into internment camp.
     

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