Heard of the Law of Unintended Consequences? Your way you'd suddenly have a lot of unemployed illegals who aren't going anywhere. Then you'd really have a problem. You have about 11 million illegal immigrants, not 30 million. Most work and pay taxes.
I'm sure if the Chinese could figure it out long ago we'll be fine today. I hate ignorant responses that can be proven wrong with history. Have we devolved or did I miss something? - - - Updated - - - Not really, it's not our problem if they are hungry, have shelter, etc. Give them a ticket to their country of origin and be done with them, if they decide to stay and starve to death it's suicide at that point.
Not enough to cover the cost of taking care of them and their children. Besides many work off the books. Its much easier than trying to fill out forms using fake ID. Most do not make enough to pay any federal income tax .
I know, the PC crowd would never have it. That's the only way this issue will be resolved. Hell we could offer a few million citizenship to build a railway specifically used to transport deportees back to the Central American countries from which they came. Cattle cars with padlocks, if it's good enough for a soviet soldier it's good enough for someone who doesn't abide by our laws.
Shouldn't we optimize immigration to limit the influx of those that are such long-term investments. I am not sure we are in a cash position to be floating these massive investments with extended payback periods. I would like to see the ROI with a 10% discount rate against future returns. I would bet large sums it is negative.
The BIG illusion is that those illegals are here at the behest of Democrats when, in FACT, it was people like George Bush, John McCain, Wall Street, the Las Vegas casinos, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce who wanted a "plentiful supply of inexpensive labor" to increase margins. It worked. That was the LAST thing Democrats wanted. As you know, we want to kill profit margins whenever possible.
That would be the ideal yes. In the absence of this (ie the horse has left the paddock) make it easy for those already in to make a go of it. Give them health care, education and drivers licenses. Don't restrict their ability to work and pay taxes.
You realize that Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than any other President right? I think right now you are about net zero on illegal immigration.
Which really confirms my assertion that the majority of the population could qualify for mental disability.
Like I said, I would like to see my return before I agree to set someone up just because they are here. I would much rather cut every benefit off and allow immigrants that can compete on an even playing field to come to the US. Just an FYI, there is almost no return that can cruise negative for more than 5 years and pull a positive ROI using a cost of money and opportunity cost discount rate. I think I just thought of a way to get some progressives on the right side of the immigration debate. Just think of all of the folks we could send to college for free, give free healthcare, increase infrastructure, and improve primary education in low income neighborhoods if we could reallocate the capital used to support illegal immigrants.
You are simply bloviating. I LIVE right smack dab on the southern border. Due to the Napolitano Memorandum of 2011 ICE is only deporting violent offenders. Everyone else the judges let go. Of course, if you think the govt's from these countries where these Illegals come from are forthcoming as to their criminal pasts then you are a fool. They don't want them back. The morale among Border Patrol agents is subterranean as they feel impotent due to the restraints the POS ObaMao has imposed. The DemoCrats are committing treason by 'end running' around constitutional law. They should be tried & hung as traitors.
Oh yeah, I'm aware of it. I'm not particularly pleased that he's done it because I'm far from being a Trumpie.
You do realize that is BS, right? The ObaMao Admin. counts deterring someone at the border as a 'deportation'. This was not done in the past.
No, we're trying to kick them out(send them back to their original home countries.) We don't want to treat them as less than human beings, we just don't want to waste our resources on non-Americans. Let me ask: If American citizens don't come first, what's the purpose behind "America"? Nay, what's the purpose of any nation? The ultimate purpose behind a country, is to sustain its people. We can't sustain the world. And even if we think we want to move towards a bilateral world where multiple nations help each other with self-sustenance, it is crucial that the nations in question are first capable of doing so themselves.(As the EU Union attests) there's no condition for this "helping hand" while multitude of Americans are struggling under various conditions. For without a strong America, we will not be able to give that ideologically flawed "helping hand" so many Liberals want to give at the cost of America.
Deportations by year. With increased deportations the result is a net zero illegal immigration rate. That won't stop Trump from demonizing them though. That's just how he rolls.
It isn't foreign aid which brought you 9/11, it was your incessant meddling in places where you had no business; it was your stated policy of global hegemony at any cost which brought terrorism to your shores. Of course you are hated, and for good reason by those grateful recipients of your freedom bombs. It's that simple (to normal people anyway). Poke a tiger with a stick by all means, but don't then act outraged and surprised if it turns around and rips your face off.
Doesn't matter. Don't get the thread locked. As well, what the Hell do you care? You're a Limey for chrissakes!!
What do you care about anything outside bubble America? I care because I take an interest in international affairs irrespective of whether they affect me personally.
I see the old lie about the 9/11 hijackers entering the US through Canada is somehow still believed and promoted by some (many actually). Actually they all entered the US at American airports with documents provided by the US government.
You have no clue. Illegals are a huge drain on the safety and tax dollars of Texans. The cops in Dallas won't even give them a ticket because they won't show up in court and you can't verify their address. They overcrowd houses and neighborhoods and undercut local labor by working for cash off the grid. They fill our hospital ERs for free medical care and we have to get extra car insurance to cover when they wreck our cars because they won't buy insurance.
