Dou you think a centeral government would be useful?

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Do you thing a centeral world government would be effected?

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  2. No

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  1. LokkiFreeWorld

    LokkiFreeWorld New Member

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    Have you ever thought about what would be possible in a world under a single government? But not under ISIS, or the Americans, or even France, but under and effective but powerful, gentle but harsh central Hegemony? Not a religious force, like ISIS, or any other religious extremist group, but an elected board of representatives, with a leader appointed by them? If the government was powerful, sure there would be rebellions, but no decent force would dare to provoke an international military, but also effective enough to put moral reason to keep the peace? This would not be the beginning of the end of independence for countries, but a way to make peace by uniting them all into one.
     
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    LokkiFreeWorld New Member

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    I'm sorry, my stupid auto correct replaced the word "Effective" with "Effected" in the poll title.
     
  3. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well it’d be useful to have personalised magic space pixies who could wish in to existence whatever we needed. It’s not going to happen though. A world government is impossible. There is no way to get enough people to agree on enough points to come close to bringing it in to being. The only thing a majority would agree on would be stopping a minority imposing such a government.

    Even if you could, I’m not convinced it would be all that better. There are plenty of places that have multiple levels of government (region/nation, nation/district, district/city etc.) but it’s hard to say the higher levels generally make anything better (or worse). Similarly powerful international organisations (or powerful nations) trying to impose change from above as often have minimal actual impact or only serve to make things worse.

    I’d suggest that if anything greater regionalisation and recognition of local authority has a better chance of success in many circumstances. It’s the way things have been leaning for some time, it’s just that the large authorities have been fighting hard to try to prevent it.
     
  4. LokkiFreeWorld

    LokkiFreeWorld New Member

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    Quite honestly, many things in history were thought impossible, or did not happen with the support of those it affected. I as a person do not have the power to do this, but if a strong organisation wished it so, then it may just happen. Did the Russians ask for Napoleon to invade? My point being that things happen without the consent of the entire world, or even just the small group it would affect. As the progress of humanity increases, and we no doubt expand our influences into space, to form colonies, it may be necessary simply to prevent a devastating war.
     
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    Sounds like the NWO to me so no
     
  6. AlpinLuke

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    The utopia of the world government is not feasible today. Because of a simple reason: a government should be a choice of all the populations governed by it ... take a look at EU: Europeans, after decades in the same Union, are not able to find a stable agreement about transferring totally, not only partially, the sovereignty to an European central government ... imagine if Americans, Indians, Chinese, Russians, Europeans, Africans ... can find a way to create a common government!

    And to impose it from above [by UN, just to say] would make it sure that it will fail in a very short time.
     
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    Alucard New Member Past Donor

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    I'm in favor of it to promote world peace.
     
  8. Gaius_Marius

    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some issues today and in the past have already required coordinated action on a global scale.
    Institutions can be built upon one another as the EU shows. Having a world government that has say in certain areas would be beneficial and is possible.
    It is not something that will happen soon. But the more global challenges we face the more unity and institutional collaboration will be needed and created.
    If the EU has shown us anything it is that external pressure pushes deeper integration. That has been the history in all EU progress and it is a good indicator.

    We can of course hope we meet some aliens. That would probably help us on the way.:woot:
     
  9. Regular Joe

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    The EU is a most poor example, because it's falling apart.
    I see two things that prohibit a one world anything.
    First, we are much too predisposed to corruption. There has never been any form of Gov. in human history that was not corrupt. That will not be changed.
    Second, we are anatomically designed for conflict. This version of the human organism is not capable of sustained and widespread peace.
    Maybe once we have interbred with Unicorns and settled on yet to be discovered planets, but your fantasy doesn't figure in the current "way of the world".
     
  10. Gaius_Marius

    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No it is no.
     
  11. Tandi

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    A central government, no (smash the state) but our species should definitely be unified. It's common sense to most people in my experience.
     
  12. Regular Joe

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    What does that even mean?
     
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    our local elections are enough for me, a world wide election every 4 years would be horrible
     
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    A nice dream, but I don't see how most of the dictators out there would go for it. My problem with it would be the corruption it would enable, and the great temptation for a powerful government to take over, and destroy the idea of individual rights.
     
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    Unless said government is that formed by the US Constitution, I vote no.
     
  16. Gaius_Marius

    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No it is not falling apart. It was your claim rememeber?
     
  17. MississippiMud

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    While it may not be inevitable i believe it is essential for the long term survival of the human race.

    Can we evolve fast enough?
     
  18. Regular Joe

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    Unbelievable. Of course, I remember what I posted. You responded with nonsense:
    "No it is no".
    And even here: How does one "rememeber?
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    No. Some speculate that we have actually regressed a bit from the Greek era.
     
  19. Gaius_Marius

    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your claim must be hard to defend since you haven't even tried after replying twice. Maybe you should avoid making claims about subjects you clearly know squat about.
     
  20. Filip

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    Such a government would be a bloody and extremely repressive tyranny.
     
  21. Regular Joe

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    My point with you is that no discussion can occur until and unless literacy is attained.
    Now, as for my claim, where do you want to look? The banking system is in a shambles, as the EU tries to rescue several failed economies within the membership. France and Sweden have gone to the Muslims. Anarchy is in the making.
     
  22. Gaius_Marius

    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not really. There are many ways to create strong institutions. We are quite good at it by now.
    Which supranational institutions have transformed into bloody and repressive tyrannies since WWII?

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    Well... I guess we can lay the "EU is falling apart" into the dust bin. Keep calm and move along.
     
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    Could be.... But that might even seem preferable to some alternative scenarios
     
  24. MississippiMud

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    Before a single global government can even be considered we would have to give up our nationalistic views and achieve a much greater level of tollerance and acceptance of our fellow man.
    Currently in the USA at least, we seem to be headed in the wrong direction. While we may becoming less nationalistic we are becoming more divided and less tolerant of each other.

    Ask the question again in about 200 years.
     
  25. TOG 6

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    In terms of the lack "tolerance" and "acceptance of our fellow man" across the globe, two items you suppose necessary before there can be any real consideration of a single global government, the US is nearly the least of the problem.
     

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