Gulf states plan military response as Putin raises the stakes in Syria

Fortunately....it is not up to a secretary to decide if we send in our troops.

 

Russia is fighting ISIS and AQ while the US and its Saudi allies support them. Quite the perverse situation.

 

its a Kremlin propaganda Pitch, evidences show clear that Muscovy doesn't fight IS, ANF (AQ ) doesn't have "own" territory in Syria

 

No, it's a fact. ISIS and AQ have declared a jihad on Russia because they (Russia) are bombing ISIS and AQ in Syria.

There is plenty of evidence that Russia is fighting ISIS and AQ in Syria. You just refuse to acknowledge it.

 

Can you expand on your reasoning behind how Russia would use ISIS as a tool against SA?
I would have thought the general rule of thumb at this stage is that it is too unpredictable to associate with extremist ideological groups.

And the idea that Putin wants permanent conflict...is that just in the ME or is this a global strategy?

If Russia can promote the US and allies as a destabilising force when it is then able to be a stabilising force it will gain a lot of standing. I don't really trust any country stated face value intentions, Russia included. However pivoting the use of groups against Assad and the ongoing use of military force in the region by the US and allies to be a Putin strategy seems a little far fetched to me.

 

I expect Obama will send it a surge. Hey - think 'legacy'?? The sooner he's booted out the better for all of us!

 

http://www.dw.com/en/us-turkey-most-russian-strikes-do-not-target-is-al-qaeda-in-syria/a-18767378

 

Sure, the US will need ground troops there forever if US warriors can conquer Syria in the first place in this game of thrones:
https://www.rt.com/usa/321520-troops-ground-syria-isis/

 

does Syria still exist?

 

The Gulf states can't fight a mouse with its paws bound.

 

There are peace talks going on right now in Vienna. The problem is Kerry and the president are under, (believe it or not), their subordinate Nuland... who happens to be married to the biggest neo con of them all Robert Kagan. So anything Kerry says has to be checked with Nuland afterwards...and that's why he says one thing, and then later does something else.

Unless someone with his own mind becomes president, and who has enough money... like Trump for instance, not to be subservient to those 'sociopath' powers that be, any president that is in office, will continue the same course they have been following since the Clinton administration. Clinton is the one who gave the neo cons control of Washington's foreign policy.

 

do they need fight Putin, i dont think so ...Muscovite empire dies , with or without The Gulf states actions

 

I do not see how this applies to your own OP, this statement only undermines your legitimate points.

 

how? what i say they dont need to fight with guns Muscovites , they have to just keep pumping oil ))

 

The problem is not the Gulf states, the problem is an assertive Turkey with a megalomaniac at the helm. Erdogan has been determined to grab a chunk of Syria since the onset of the attacks on Assad, and now he said that he will send in over ten thousand troops into Syria to establish a zone for the refugees in the middle of Decenber... Yeah right, as if he gives a damn for human lives. He also said that he will never allow the Kurds to establish a 'state' next to Turkey's border.

The reasons for wanting American troops in Syria might be to offset Erdogans plans and ambitions since the Kurds are aligned with the US, not to mention that it could start a war between Russia and Turkey, a Nato member.

 

Of course Turkey, who is a NATO ally and a supporter of ISIS in Syria, would make a false claim like that. And of course you would believe them. But it's just more lies and propaganda coming from the Russophobic NATO coalition. Not to be taken seriously.

 

Yes because the Gulf states do not survive on oil, they would love to see oil prices slump.....sarcasm.

 

they dont have empires ...Chechnya, Crimea, Abkhazia, etc.

 

I want to explain to the propagandists on the forum, that the belief that their 'lies' and 'spins' can undo reality is nothing more than an illusion.

As an example, there are two things that are helping Russia wean itself off its dependency on oil. One was the sanctions, because in retaliation Putin put an embargo on European goods. Without EU goods entering Russia, its domestic producers were given the opportunity to develop their own agriculture and manufactured goods.

The other was the drop in oil prices, because it dropped the value of the Ruble. Had the Ruble not dropped, Russia would have been in a real jam. With the drop in the Ruble, the costs of imports became even more prohibitive to the Russians, so they could only afford to buy domestic products. This helped the producers, and also Russian money didn't leave the country. Travel abroad also became prohibitive, so they were forced to spend their holidays at Russian resorts...which again kept money inside of Russia.

Russia also became cheaper for foreigners, so that more people began vacationing in Russia, especially from the Far East and Bric nations. This again brought money into the country. China became an economic giant when it dropped the value of Yuan seventy percent against the dollar...so the only thing Russia has to fear is a rise in oil prices because that will raise the value of the Ruble before it has time to complete its industrializing.

 

Here's an excerpt from Moon of Alabama, about the progress in Iraq and Syria. Anyone who doubts who Turkey supports, should read it:

South west of Aleppo the successful campaign towards the highway between Aleppo southward to Idleb, Hama, Homs and Damascus progressed fast. The al-Qaeda/Jabhat al-Nusra held town Al-Hadher was taken today surprisingly fast and the attack immediately proceeded further west towards the highway capturing Al-Eis. The highway, now only 2 kilometers away, is currently under al-Qaeda/FSA control and is an important resupply road from Turkey to the al-Qaeda occupied areas further south.​

 

i posted Muscovite experts who say that Muscovy doesn't have technologies to bomb outside line of engagement, does Assad coalition have line of engagement with IS?

 

This is the perfect time for the US to get out. Let Russia and the ME battle it out. Take the heat off us for a while.

 

what if "Russia" goes after Israel or KSA?

 

Russia won't go after Israel. The may show aggression but they won't attack them. Israel will probably play it smart and agree to let the fighting continue so long as they aren't bothered.

Lastly, I don't care if Russia attacks KSA. KSA can attack back or do whatever they want. This is the PERFECT time for the US to leave the whole area. Those ME nations need to take care of themselves now. No more money, no more American soldiers, airmen, marines, and sailors...time to focus on us.

 

its actually logical. once you got your shale oil, gas you don't need MENA anymore...but your scenario will lead to Muscovite - Turkey nuke- war