Religion of Peace - not so much

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei of Iran has condemned the practice as "un-Islamic", though punishment under Iranian law remains lenient for those who commit honour-based killings.

In Indonesia, generally believed to be the country with the largest Muslim population, honour killings are unknown, as is the case in parts of West Africa with majority-Muslim populations and in many other Islamic countries such as Bangladesh. According to Sheikh Atiyyah Saqr, former head of the al-Azhar University Fatwa Committee

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/cj-jp/fv-vf/hk-ch/p3.html

 

lol, rebel without a clue

 

If Trump gets elected, he'll want to herd Muslims into detainment camps like the Japanese during WWII.

 

What sort of time have you spent in the Middle East?

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Yes.. he probably would do that.

 

You're thinking is static where the terror environment is dynamic.

Drunk driving deaths are trending down; fundamental Islamic based terror is trending up. It will only take another attack on the scale of the twin towers for the converging lines to cross. Think chemical attack or dirty radiation weapons.

Cheers
Labour

 

Christians have been known too, not sure there specifically, but would not doubt it

'Jordanian Christian kills daughter for converting to Islam"

http://www.worldbulletin.net/muslim...istian-kills-daughter-for-converting-to-islam

he stoned her....

 

Reports submitted to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights show that honor killings have occurred in Bangladesh, Great Britain, Brazil, Ecuador, Egypt, India, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Pakistan, Morocco, Sweden, Turkey, and Uganda.

In countries not submitting reports to the UN, the practice was condoned under the rule of the fundamentalist Taliban government in Afghanistan, and has been reported in Iraq and Iran.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/02/0212_020212_honorkilling.html

 

I'm not going to trust that source. A brief look at it tells me that it has a strong pro-Muslim bias.

 

Those victims in San Bernardino knew a Muslim and up until he gunned them down with an assault rifle they would have said he was a decent, upstanding fellow.

 

Let's throw in the roughly 1,000,000 slaves, mostly christians, that were sold to the Ottoman Empire by the Barbary Pirates.

 

Id rather he just deport them to whatever country is willing to take Muslims.

It'll be a short list.

 

That's true.. Its hard to believe that Tashfeen Malik killed women who gave her a baby shower.

 

There are 1.2 billion Muslims and it appears they either a) run away from terrorists (and believe they have a right to the US) or b) tolerate them or c) support them or d) are terrorists.. Notice b,c and d....

There have been numerous polls done on this, and every time they find that 30% of Muslims either support terrorism or are indifferent...

What you don't understand about Islam is many look down at non-Muslims and view them as pigs, they believe they're superior....

Look not every member of the KKK is a murderer, however they're still racist, and Islam is similar in that respect.... In many Sharia countries non-Muslims are taxed excessively and are forbidden from publicly even acknowledging or practicing their religion - in short non-Muslims are second class citizens...

Another great comparison to Islam would be the Japanese during the early to mid 20th century... Japan thought they were superior to the Chinese and continually invaded China and did terrible things to the Chinese because they believed it was their right because they were superior, now were all Japanese doing this or did they adhere to this ideology? no, but 30% believed it... Of course when they got nuked they realized that was the end of that philosophy...

 

Just curious how you ended up at this number, because most places with Muslims on the earth that I see have stuff blowing up all over the place, beheadings, and other terrorist type of activities that would be consistent with my belief.

 

The ONLY reason Muslims have not brought their nightmare to the United States would be because it is hard. Geographically separated and armed security makes this country a difficult target...yet a few still get through. Europe does not have the geographic luck, and look at what Muslims are doing there.

 

There isn’t much of a need to ethnically cleanse if it has already been done, like in the example set by Saudi Arabia, which continues. The Ottoman Empire took in the Jews that Spain’s Monarchy ethnically cleansed around 1492, but they were never free to form their own province. To claim Christians and Jews are in the clear is simply ignoring that modern Christianity (after they learned to read and protestant fundamental Christianity declared independence from the Romans) does not ethnically cleanse anyone, but modern Islam (fundamental Islam, following their false prophet) still does and wants to.

"[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

"It is the duty of the followers of other religions to stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region," (legitimately elected Palestinian sovereignty)

Faiths don’t have sovereignty, governments do.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 191:

Narrated Abdullah bin Abbas:
"He said, 'Do the noble or the poor follow him?' I replied, 'It is the poor who follow him.' He said, 'Are they increasing or decreasing (day by day)?' I replied,' They are increasing.' He said, 'Does anybody amongst those who embrace his (the Prophet's) Religion become displeased and then discard his Religion?'. I replied, 'No. ' He said, 'Does he break his promises? I replied, 'No, but we are now at truce with him and we are afraid that he may betray us." Abu Sufyan added, "Other than the last sentence, I could not say anything against him. Caesar then asked, 'Have you ever had a war with him?' I replied, 'Yes.' He said, 'What was the outcome of your battles with him?' I replied, 'The result was unstable; sometimes he was victorious and sometimes we.' He said, 'What does he order you to do?' I said, 'He tells us to worship Allah alone, and not to worship others along with Him, and to leave all that our fore-fathers used to worship. He orders us to pray, give in charity, be chaste, keep promises and return what is entrusted to us.'"

“One day while the Prophet was sitting in the company of some people, (The angel) Gabriel came and asked, "What is faith?" Allah's Apostle replied, 'Faith is to believe in Allah, His angels, (the) meeting with Him, His Apostles, and to believe in Resurrection." Then he further asked, "What is Islam?" Allah's Apostle replied, "To worship Allah Alone and none else, to offer prayers perfectly to pay the compulsory charity (Zakat) and to observe fasts during the month of Ramadan."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/bukhari/bh1/bh1_46.htm

As we see Islam is not faith. Christians have faith, Islam has the military order "to offer prayers perfectly," and the government's compulsory taxes.

"You see it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[69] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Hitler_to_confidants

http://books.google.com/books?id=XLSa_RIDHMUC&pg=PA96#v=onepage&q&f=false

Hamas Charter inserts religion into the conflict:

"Surat Al-Imran (III), verses 109-111 Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors." http://middleeast.about.com/od/palestinepalestinians/a/me080106b.htm

"003.109
YUSUFALI: To Allah belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: To Him do all questions go back (for decision).
PICKTHAL: Unto Allah belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth; and unto Allah all things are returned.
SHAKIR: And whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is Allah's; and to Allah all things return

003.110
YUSUFALI: Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.
PICKTHAL: Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers.
SHAKIR: You are the best of the nations raised up for (the benefit of) men; you enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and believe in Allah; and if the followers of the Book had believed it would have been better for them; of them (some) are believers and most of them are transgressors.

003.111
YUSUFALI: They will do you no harm, barring a trifling annoyance; if they come out to fight you, they will show you their backs, and no help shall they get.
PICKTHAL: They will not harm you save a trifling hurt, and if they fight against you they will turn and flee. And afterward they will not be helped.
SHAKIR: They shall by no means harm you but with a slight evil; and if they fight with you they shall turn (their) backs to you, then shall they not be helped." {Some links no longer work, but you can easily find the texts without me fetching new links} http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/003.qmt.html

Just as the PLO Charter inserted RACISM into the conflict:

"We, the Palestinian Arab people, who believe in its Arabism...Article 8: Bringing up Palestinian youth in an Arab and nationalist manner is a fundamental national duty. All means of guidance, education and enlightenment should be utilized to introduce the youth to its homeland in a deep spiritual way that will constantly and firmly bind them together." http://www.un.int/wcm/content/site/palestine/pid/12363

You should read the commentaries too:

"110a. Not only are the Muslims the chosen people of God, who are now called upon to be the standard-bearers of Truth in the world, but they are at the same time declared to be the best of the people that had ever been chosen for this purpose. This was no doubt due to the excellence of that Great Teacher who thoroughly purified them of the worst vices and made perfect the light within them. No prophet ever found a people in a worse condition, and none ever raised his people to such eminence. Note that the excellence of the Muslim people lies in their enjoining good and forbidding evil and in their great faith in Allåh. If they lose these characteristics, they lose their excellence as well." http://www.muslim.org/english-quran/ch003-123.pdf

"111a. The Jews in Arabia sided with the enemies of Islåm in their endeavour to extirpate the new religion, and this notwithstanding their pact with the Muslims, but they were not successful in inflicting any serious harm upon the Muslims, and whenever they openly faced the Muslims they fled. As the concluding words show, the idolaters, who gave them secret promises of help, never came to their aid when they were in distress."

112a. Almost the same words, excluding the exception, occur in 2:61. The Jews had already been subjected to the greatest humiliation and disgrace before the appearance of the Prophet. But with the advent of Islåm they could better their condition either by accepting the covenant of Allåh, by which is meant the acceptance of Islåm, or by making a compact of security with such men as could give them protection. This remains true to this day." http://www.muslim.org/english-quran/index.htm

That clearly says:

Jews could better their condition either by accepting the covenant of Allåh, by which is meant the acceptance of Islåm for a compact of security.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 191:

..."In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful (This letter is) from Muhammad, the slave of Allah, and His Apostle, to Heraculius, the Ruler of the Byzantine. Peace be upon the followers of guidance. Now then, I invite you to Islam (i.e. surrender to Allah), embrace Islam and you will be safe; embrace Islam and Allah will bestow on you a double reward. But if you reject this invitation of Islam, you shall be responsible for misguiding the peasants (i.e. your nation). O people of the Scriptures! Come to a word common to you and us and you, that we worship. None but Allah, and that we associate nothing in worship with Him; and that none of us shall take others as Lords besides Allah. Then if they turn away, say: Bear witness that we are (they who have surrendered (unto Him)..(3.64)"...

That is no different than the Mob demanding a business pay the tax for protection in acknowledgement of superiority:

"[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection." http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=282392

The Mob has taxes, the government has taxes, and religions have faith.

"34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God." http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+19:34-35&version=KJV

Antiquities of the Jews, Book 4, Chapter 8:

41. "...Let all sort of warlike operations, whether they befall you now in your own time, or hereafter in the times of your posterity, be done out of your own borders: but when you are about to go to war, send embassages and heralds to those who are your voluntary enemies, for it is a right thing to make use of words to them before you come to your weapons of war; and assure them thereby, that although you have a numerous army, with horses and weapons, and, above these, a God merciful to you, and ready to assist you, you do however desire them not to compel you to fight against them, nor to take from them what they have, which will indeed be our gain, but what they will have no reason to wish we should take to ourselves. And if they hearken to you, it will be proper for you to keep peace with them..."

Does any of this mean we have to treat all Muslims as if they are the enemy, no, but we have to distinguish between the enemy and the friend somehow, and pay attention to what the friend is willing to admit, and that requires knowing that Islam (as their false prophet did it is simply incompatible with our way of life) and when “Jihad” by the content of their character is Saddam’s “Jihad and proper action,” call to Al Quacka, and whether they are an Islamifascist or an Islamist out to conquer instead live peacefully? We cannot have this stupidity:

“The President’s strategy is absolutely clear about the threat we face. Our enemy is not ‘terrorism’ because terrorism is but a tactic. Our enemy is not ‘terror’ because terror is a state of mind and as Americans we refuse to live in fear. Nor do we describe our enemy as ‘jihadists’ or ‘Islamists’ because jihad is a holy struggle, a legitimate tenant of Islam, meaning to purify oneself or one’s community, and there is nothing holy or legitimate or Islamic about murdering innocent men, women and children.” (Remarks by Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism John Brennan at CSIS)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ecurity-and-counterterrorism-john-brennan-csi

"Medina is like a pair of bellows (furnace): It expels its impurities and brightens and clears its good"

 

That is what I've found most unnerving. The Imam and family are all shocked by this. Either they are in on it or even those of us who think we know our Muslim neighbors well have new reason to be concerned.

 

That's very likely to be correct, but I'm still far more likely to be shot by some non-Muslim I know than to be blown up by a Jihadist.

 

And this is different from every other killer how? We hear "He was always so quite. I never thought he was dangerous." If we fear our Muslim neighbor, then we should fear our gun owner neighbor. Hell, we should be particularly terrified of all of our male neighbors! Or maybe we should ditch our phobias and stick to reasonable fears of likely risks.

 

That quote is the whole "convert or die" section?

There's nothing in that quote about killing anyone.

 

Depends on where you live, if it's in an area filled with blacks, your odds skyrocket!

 

I actually grew up more around white supremacists who threatened me with violence on several occasions. But for my original statement, it doesn't really matter where in the US that I live.

 

Well you're wrong.

Live in Washington DC, Oakland CA, St Louis, New Orleans or Chicago and your chance of getting killed by a black man with a gun skyrockets!

 

Thats only because we have so few Muslims here.

 

As Alan Watts said, more people have been killed in the name of the Bible than for any other reason in history.

It turns out that those who worship the Prince of Peace are the world's biggest killers.