Trump, Trump ... but Sanders?

I note that PoliticalForum has become an advertising site for Donald Trump [and I could even appreciate this ...], remember that it doesn't matter how you talk about such a personage ... for him it's important you talk about him ...

Anyway, for a moment I would like to leave Donald Trump in the background [but I don't know if you have noted it, but I have already written "Trump" 5 times in some lines, thread title included!].

Why?

Because in the Democrat field, despite the "super-delegates" following the orders of the Soviet Party, there is a no more so remote possibility that Sanders will get the nomination.

I had already occasion to say that he is embedded in the general strategy of the Democrat Party, in any case he would be a first something: the first Jewish President.

So, what do you think about this slowly run of Sanders?

Will this be the second time Clinton loses the nomination?

And in case Sanders gets the nomination ... will he be the first Jewish President?

 

He can't win because he is a "socialist". A vast majority of Americans perfectly know what that means: robbery by courtesy of state

 

Not a chance Clinton loses the nomination. None.

In the 1 in a quintillion chance she got indicted, Biden would step in.

Bernie has no chance. Case closed. Next.

 

if somehow it was a sanders vs cruz thing i think a lot of us on the trump train would switch and not just passively too. Like with almost the same passion we have for trump.

 

Despite the lack of delegates, Grandpa Sanders is slowly gaining a lead on Clinton. I'm really hoping for that debate to happen in New York. Clinton loses New York, she loses her home base.

On a side note, I think there is a bigger number of conservatives on this forum over liberals, at least what I've noticed coming from top posters.

 

I am a Sander's supporter. I love the guy...he's a good man...I don't care what religion he is.

But I'll gladly support whatever Democrat gets the nomination.

I'll either be supporting for Sanders or against the GOP....like the large majority of Sander's supporters.

 

Statistically conservatives tend to be political animals while liberals tend to be activists moved by passions ...

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He's socialist, but not Soviet, like the majority of the Democrat party ... [and this is political satire!].

 

There is no reason for Hillary to agree to a debate in NY. None.

Also, Bernie doesn't have prayer of winning NY.

If he finished within 5 points it would be a major miracle.

That is the same at most political forums.

Conservatives are more prone to rack up a high post count beating the same dead horse ad nauseum.

 

Very true. I would write in Trump if it ends up Cruz- Hillary, but will vote for Sanders over Cruz or any other GOP nominee if Sanders wins the nomination. I would be very surprised if that happens though.

It is unfortunate that, in my opinion, Sanders supporters are often too easily manipulated by the media to recognize the similarities in their campaigns. It will be much harder for the inverse, for Trump to sway Sanders supporters in a general, it seems.

Socialism might work, if all the tyrants we can clearly see looming over us waiting for their puppet government to seize complete control of industry are first neutered.

I'lI give Bernie that chance.

 

I think its because your mistaking people like me for "conservatives" in the traditional definetion. When we want as little to do with rubio, cruz, and jeb!, as we do with hillary.

 

Some 30% of Sanders supporters have said they will not support Clinton if Sanders falters, and 20% have said they'd vote Trump instead if Clinton is the nominee. I predicted some months ago that neither Clinton, nor Sanders will be the democrats nominee, and I still believe that to be the case. Democrats need to find an anti-establishment centrist to parachute in and save the day. Running "Left and Lefter" is not going to yield positive results for them this time, and doubling down on the "corrupt crony establishment bought-and-paid-for lie-a-minute poster-child", Clinton, will be disastrous for them in this political climate, unless she can muster enough "gender sympathy" to overcome the torches and pitchforks of the anti-establishment sentiment.

Republicans, while they are facing much stronger anti-establishment sentiment from their party, have one advantage in that they have an anti-establishment alternative to Trump, should he falter, in Cruz.

No matter what, this is going to be a wild ride. Being neither democrat nor republican, I'm in an excellent position to watch the show.

 

I am GOP supporter... but Trump... NEVER

 

Sanders would get my vote if I were a US citizen. Yes, he is jewish but yet, he is the one who shows the most spine vis-a-vis AIPAC. He is a moderate, despite facile accusations of extremism.

I don't have a problem with a Jew as US President, as long as he does not have Israeli double citizenship. That would be incestuous. However, I won't bet any money on seing him running against Trump, sadly.

 

You mean "Cheerleaders". There are whole threads of 'em all agreeing on some outrage or another, with almost no interference by "liberals".

I can't deny that. So I won't.

 

33 Percent of Bernie Sanders Supporters Will Not Vote for Hillary Clinton

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-g...ernie-sanders-not-vote-hillary_b_9475626.html


I expect that to increase as Hillary is exposed for what she really is by Trump in the general election.

 

Count me among them; That's because I live in Canuckville, so I can't vote... And I don't like Hillary Clinton anyway.

 

On this we agree.

Worse for the country than two Hillarys put together with a side of Biden.

 

No, the leaders of the Democratic Party decided Clinton would be their nominee for 2016 just before the 2012 election. Then they invested heavily in her. Unless the FBI requests charges be brought against Clinton before the convention, she is the Democratic nominee. Forget the super delegates, Clinton has a 2.5 million vote lead over Sanders in all the Democratic Primary votes cast thus far. I do not see that lead shrinking especially with California and New York upcoming.

Even if the FBI were to request prosecution of Clinton prior to the convention, I highly doubt the Democrats would then let Sanders be their nominee. They would have an open or contested convention which they would pick their nominee there. Someone akin to Biden or Warren or even a Schumer.

 

Yes, observing the general scenario, it's evident that Clinton will be the Democrat nominee. Anyway the Sanders phenomenon should make Dems think a bit about the relations between the party and a not irrelevant sector of its electorate. But at the end primary elections work also for this: to compose different orientation together to support the winner ...

 

Just skimming some of the leftish blogs and news-sites, and reading down through the comments I get a different impression. This is far from scientific, but I am seeing a growing dis-enchantment with the Clinton candidacy on the part of Sanders supporters. I am also see an increasing virulence in the attacks on Sanders supporters...calling them "Bernie Bros" etc.
From my perspective there is zero chance of Clinton supporting any of Sanders major populist initiatives, once the election is over. They simply are too far outside her world-view and donor base. She will string along Bernie's supporters as long as possible, but that's it.

A growing number of people who have supported Sanders are coming to this conclusion, IMO. I can't quantify it, but I think it is true.

 

I wouldn't put too much stock in the kind of things that random internet idiots would post in the comment section of a leftish blog.

I still believe that regardless of the current puffery and posturing, that 85+% of Bernie's supporters will be with Clinton in November.

Strictly a pragmatic decision, even if they have to hold their nose.

Obviously, Bernie's more outlandish initiatives would be DOA in Congress. So, there isn't a prayer that Hillary would propose them.

 

This is the impression we've got too, from an external point of observation. Italian political history has seen, many times, alliances between the moderate left [in this case Clinton] and the socialist left [Sanders], they have lasted until there were common interests ... but US system is different, being not a parliamentary Republic [like Italy where governments are sustained by coalitions of different parties], once the candidate is President the games are over.

So that, Sander's supporters have to ponder well about what Clinton at the White House could mean for their aspirations [social, economical, about healthcare ...].

 

Polarized vote is typical in systems where at the end the candidate who takes the majority of the votes wins. So that, despite intentions and aspirations, I do agree that a good part of Sander's supporters will vote Clinton [just because, once the electorate will be polarized, it will be a black or white situation].

 

take into account Trump is soon to flame out in spectacular fashion from the weight of his own bs and that Cruz is hated and feared even more, and what do you have left to be nominated? Kasich? doubtful and a loser, Mitt? loser, Jeb!? loser, Ryan? he's afraid to be a loser... loser, dark horse? loser. gosh, this is fun!

 

Sanders is one of a handful of politicians whom is honest and when he says something, tells you something he is telling you exactly what he believes. Not what he thinks you want to hear or a slogan or talking point that he thinks will attract supporters or votes. He is completely opposite of Clinton in that. She talks all the time and one never can be sure what she says is what she believes, with Sanders you can.

Sanders has a lot of supporters who are first timers. Who in the past have let politics pass them by. He has hit a cord with the young. A lot of those supporters support him, his ideas, the person and not necessarily the Democratic Party or in the end, Hillary Clinton. While most of Sanders supporters will vote for Clinton in November, it will not be a happy vote. A lot will just the the election pass them by once their personal champion is defeated and on the sideline.

To me Sanders has been a breath of fresh air. I am probably around 180 degrees opposite him on the political spectrum, but I have tons of respect for him. If he won the presidency, I know he would do what he thought best for this country. He would try to build this country a bright future, this country would be in good hands. I do not feel that way about Clinton. I feel she only looks out for what is best for Hillary, not the country. That Hillary will leave this country in far worst shape when she left the office of the presidency than when she first entered.

I wish Sanders well and a ton of luck although I know he does not have a snowballs chance in Hades of ever winning the nomination. This country needs more elected leaders like him who are honest, says exactly what he believes and has the good of the country in his heart.