Trump tells Matthews "women deserve some type of punishment for abortions"

Adverse effects of pregnancy - physiological

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_physiological_changes_in_pregnancy (and note there is too much to post here - and this is only the NORMAL changes and does not include full information on disorders such as HELLP and gestational diabetes

Adverse effects of pregnancy - sociological

The high social and economic costs of teen pregnancy and child(*)bearing can have short- and long-term negative consequences for teen parents, their children, and their community. Through recent research, it has been recognized that pregnancy and childbirth have a significant impact on educational outcomes of teen parents. By age 22, only around 50 percent of teen mothers have received a high school diploma and only 30 percent have earned a General Education Development (GED) certificate, whereas 90 percent of women who did not give birth during adolescence receive a high school diploma.
1 Only about 10 percent of teen mothers complete a two- or four-year college program.
2 Teen fathers have a 25 to 30 percent lower probability of graduating from high school than teenage boys who are not fathers.
3 Children who are born to teen mothers also experience a wide range of problems. For example, they are more likely to: have a higher risk for low birth weight and infant mortality; have lower levels of emotional support and cognitive stimulation; have fewer skills and be less prepared to learn when they enter kindergarten; have behavioral problems and chronic medical conditions; rely more heavily on publicly funded health care; have higher rates of foster care placement; be incarcerated at some time during adolescence; have lower school achievement and drop out of high school; give birth as a teen; and be unemployed or underemployed as a young adult.
4 These immediate and long-lasting effects continue for teen parents and their children even after adjusting for the factors that increased the teen’s risk for pregnancy—e.g., growing up in poverty, having parents with low levels of education, growing up in a single-parent family, and having low attachment to and performance in school.
5 Teen pregnancy costs U.S. taxpayers about $11 billion per year due to increased health care and foster care, increased incarceration rates among children of teen parents, and lost tax revenue because of lower educational attainment and income among teen mothers.
6 Some recent cost studies estimate that the cost may be as high as $28 billion per year or an average of $5,500 for each teen parent. The majority of this cost is associated with teens who give birth before age 18.
7 1 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 2011; Hoffman & Maynard, 2008 - See more at: http://youth.gov/youth-topics/teen-...e-effects-teen-pregnancy#sthash.43AEzkMy.dpuf

Not "children" that is hyperbole

 

You're barking up the wrong tree here. Like I said, not only do I think abortions should be legal, I think in some cases they should be mandatory.

However, the innocent victimized woman is not without blame in getting pregnant, and taxpayers should not be paying for her 'mistake'.

And finally, you cannot make the claim that something in the womb is simply an embryo or fetus, and charge someone else with murder if that 'embryo' is killed.

Edit: And your 'statistics' only really prove one thing; people who have no business reproducing (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up and got pregnant. Again, how and why is that anyone else's responsibility?

 

Nobody chooses to be assaulted or punched in the stomach. So why the murder charge for a 'non-living embryo'?

So the woman has a right to choose to kill the 'embryo' without penalty, but if someone else does it it's murder? There's some flaw in that logic. Either they embryo is a living being or not. It can't be just whenever it fits a certain criteria.

 

The only purpose of the dehumanizing terms is to pretend the death of a baby never took place.

Now we are supposed to get abortions with mental problems.

Most people are not aware but abortions kill more than babies. It is very likely that the couple bust up. They will feel awful and blame each other.

 

Why would it be OK to abort a fetus caused by rape but not if it was by consensual sex?. The fetus is exactly the same and the procedure is exactly the same.

 

Anyone who thinks babies are aborted is ...well....not correct....you must think that when a woman says she has a bun in the oven she'll birth a sticky bun....that is what you said, that whatever the woman calls it that's what it is...

I'm sorry facts and science frighten you but they're what counts when it comes to abortion...

 

Please read a post before you quote it and respond. Here it is again for you:

""A. the woman did not consent to be punched in the stomach

B. the attacker took away her right to choose....(exactly like Anti-Choicers)"""

C. it was an assault ( which is why it may not be charged as murder), a crime.

Maybe if you try to get past your idea that women are somehow property and don't have the right to decide for themselves what they want or don't want.

 

You and the rest of the Democrats certainly are callous when it comes to children's deaths.

 

And you're verging on flamebaiting and personal attack which are against the rules.

Until you can prove through law and/or science that a fetus is NOT what is aborted , I'd back off....you already look foolish thinking women give birth to buns ....

 

Women don't shrug off abortions. They are highly charged and fall into depressions.

So, you approve all that for her so long as you are not depressed?

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/advice/a18929/how-abortion-changed-our-relationship/

 

The hypothetical question was that if abortion is illegal, and if a woman has an abortion, should she be punished. And Trump answered correctly, "yes". What's the problem?

 

Mate - the "blame the woman" thing which seems to be rampant in the USA will only cease to be an indicator of cultural misogyny when there is equality with contraceptive responsibility

Please accept the MALE responsibility also

Since there are only a couple of methods of male contraception on the market as opposed to a plethora of female contraceptives - that really points to the overall lack of male reproductive responsibility. And apart from sterilisation all male contraceptives almost assure the woman will have an unwanted pregnancy

Put blame where it is due

 

Okay - here is the $64,000 question - what punishment should they receive and should it be for all abortions regardless of reason for abortion and or circumstances

And while you are at it please define abortion so it does not include the incidental use of abortifacients

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Oh! My! A new low in statement validation - Cosmopolitan magazine

Bloody hell

While it is true SOME women might become depressed I would challenge you to show that there is significantly more or that the "depression" is as concerning as peripartum depression

 

I never heard of the condoms either as a form of contraception. That's why neutering is necessary to restore the contraceptive balance.

 

Absolutely - if we make all men donate sperm and then undergo sterilisation we would have no more unwanted pregnancies

Come on guys - man up!

 

If you keep a vibrator on high power for too long it may cause you mini-strokes.

 

You mean the 1% of justified abortions?

We all know 99% of the other pregnancies have little to no serious medical complications - and the majority of the 99% of abortions are out of convenience.

 

Tell me - what is justification in your eyes?

Certainly not living below the poverty level

Already having more than one child

Foetal abnormality

I do wonder whether any of the rabid anti-abortionists here will change their tune if the Zika virus hits America and causes an epidemic of microcephalic children as it has in Brazil

 

Republicans pretend to give a crap from the moment of conception to the last second before a baby pops out of the womb, THEN! it's SORRY! kid you're on your own now, WE! don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) what happens to you from now on if you happened to be born into a poor family.

 

Assumes facts not in evidence.

If anything it is Republicans who don't care about babies because they want to deny them food stamps and healthcare and education.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/warre...pocrisy-of-prolife-and-the-gop_b_7294178.html

http://www.nationalmemo.com/are-pol...stamps-and-deny-health-access-truly-pro-life/

 

Can you point out what your post has to do with the post of mine you quoted?

"""Quote Originally Posted by FoxHastings View Post

Why would it be OK to abort a fetus caused by rape but not if it was by consensual sex?. The fetus is exactly the same and the procedure is exactly the same.""




What has that got to do with depression in women? NOTHING. I answered for you since you seem incapable of EVER answering a question like I bet you can't answer these questions:

How are women "highly charged" ? WTF does that mean?

Here's another one you 'll avoid:

Since when is it your business whether women are depressed or not?

Do you care about all those women who have kids who are depressed?


Do you care about women who haven't had kids or abortions and are depressed?

Do care about men who are depressed??



I'm sure you won't forget you usual style....not answering by going with an off the wall post.

 

The FACT is that a woman needs NO "excuse" to get an abortion only her wish to get an abortion.
"little to no medical complications" ? Oh, Mr.Gynecologist , that's just not true.

EVERY pregnancy carries the risk of death.


Only a coward would deny and/or denigrate what women face with pregnancy.

For sure THEY wouldn't volunteer for it..


Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:
•exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
•altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
•nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
•heartburn and indigestion
•constipation
•weight gain
•dizziness and light-headedness
•bloating, swelling, fluid retention
•hemmorhoids
•abdominal cramps
•yeast infections
•congested, bloody nose
•acne and mild skin disorders
•skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
•mild to severe backache and strain
•increased headaches
•difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
•increased urination and incontinence
•bleeding gums
•pica
•breast pain and discharge
•swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint pain
•difficulty sitting, standing in later pregnancy
•inability to take regular medications
•shortness of breath
•higher blood pressure
•hair loss or increased facial/body hair
•tendency to anemia
•curtailment of ability to participate in some sports and activities
•infection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
(pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
•extreme pain on delivery
•hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
•continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)



Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:
•stretch marks (worse in younger women)
•loose skin
•permanent weight gain or redistribution
•abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
•pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
•changes to breasts
•increased foot size
•varicose veins
•scarring from episiotomy or c-section
•other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
•increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
•loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
•higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
•newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)



Occasional complications and side effects:
•complications of episiotomy
•spousal/partner abuse
•hyperemesis gravidarum
•temporary and permanent injury to back
•severe scarring requiring later surgery
(especially after additional pregnancies)
•dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
•pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
•eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
•gestational diabetes
•placenta previa
•anemia (which can be life-threatening)
•thrombocytopenic purpura
•severe cramping
•embolism (blood clots)
•medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
•diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
•mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
•serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
•hormonal imbalance
•ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
•broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
•hemorrhage and
•numerous other complications of delivery
•refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
•aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
•severe post-partum depression and psychosis
•research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
•research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
•research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease



Less common (but serious) complications:

•peripartum cardiomyopathy
•cardiopulmonary arrest
•magnesium toxicity
•severe hypoxemia/acidosis
•massive embolism
•increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
•molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
(like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
•malignant arrhythmia
•circulatory collapse
•placental abruption
•obstetric fistula




More permanent side effects:
•future infertility
•permanent disability
•death.

 

And when you can defend your own position on it's merits assign one to the other side and argue against it.

How sophmoric.

 

As opposed to your assertions that anyone prolife hates women, what's to enslave women and now hate born babies........shall we report those post too?

 

Well I laid out a proposal way earlier and for no comments that I saw so lets try again.

Of course you would have like with most crimes various degrees of punishment dependent on circumstance and whether it involves multiple offense.

Agree? It is the pro-abortion side that immediately jumps to prison or even death by hanging. A rape or incest would get special consideration as opposed to a 10th abortion for convenience sake only.

Good so far.

So for a first offsense the mother goes to sensitivity classes, like is done in other crimes against people, second offense a longer more in-depth series of classes, third offense then mandatory chemical birth control like the 12 month under the skin capsule with monthly monitoring of hormone levels, fourth offense and 400 hours of community service with lots having to do with children, 5th start considering weekends in home confinements..........and just keep ratchjng it up until she is no longer killing her babies.

The floor is open.