How much of Palestine should the Arabs get back? - <MOD WARNING>

I will let Winston Churchill answer that,

They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine. In this connexion, it has been observed with satisfaction that at the meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims 'the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development. ". . . When it is asked what is meant by the development of the Jewish National Home in Palestine, it may be answered that it is not the imposition of a Jewish nationality upon the inhabitants of Palestine as a whole, but the further development of the existing Jewish community, with the assistance of Jews in other parts of the world, in order that it may become a centre in which the Jewish people as a whole may take, on grounds of religion and race, an interest and a pride. But in order that this community should have the best prospect of free development and provide a full opportunity for the Jewish people to display its capacities, it is essential that it should know that it is in Palestine as of right and not on sufferance. That is the reason why it is necessary that the existence of a Jewish National Home in Palestine should be internationally guaranteed, and that it should be formally recognized to rest upon ancient historic connexion.

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/07175DE9FA2DE563852568D3006E10F3

 

The began planning to take them in 1952.. They wanted more land and water.

Read Moshe Dayan.

 

Well to be honest none, both sides should act like adults and unify under one equal government. The separate Palestine will never be a functional entity and will just become like our reservation system. Trust me you do not want to live on a reservation.

 

That's what the Saudi Peace Initiative offered... guaranteeing Israel's security as well a diplomatic and trade relations.

 

Dayan admits Israel attacked Syria in land grab

By Prof. Tanya Reinhart, translated from Yediot Aharonot, 6 May 1997

In June, it would be 30 years to the war of 1967 - the war that brought about the occupation. Governments have changed from Labor to Likud and back several times since then, and what has changed?

Yediot Aharonot of April 27 has published an 1976 interview with Moshe Dayan (which was not previously published). Dayan, who was the defense minister in 1967, explains there what led, then, to the decision to attack Syria. In the collective consciousness of the period, Syria was conceived as a serious threat to the security of Israel, and a constant initiator of aggression towards the residents of northern Israel. But according to Dayan, this is 'bull-(*)(*)(*)(*)' - Syria was not a threat to Israel before 67. &#8220;Just drop it&#8221; - he says as an answer to a question about the northern residences - &#8220;I know how at least 80% of all the incidents with Syria started. We were sending a tractor to the demilitarized zone and we knew that the Syrians will shoot. If they did not shoot, we would instruct the tractor to go deeper, till the Syrians finally got upset and start shooting. Then we employed artillery, and later also the air-force... I did that... and Itzhak Rabin did that, when he was there (as commander of the Northern front, in the early sixties)&#8221;.

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http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51a/022.html

 

A few isolated reservations is the current Israeli intent. It is already slipping out bit by bit. They are just waiting to make sure there is enough psychological acceptance of it and then they will formally annex 62% of the West Bank.

 

Well they are the weaker people. When two groups of people live next to one another and want the others land then the stronger will prevail. It is the natural human order of things. They are the native americans of the middle east. It is not fair but it is the reality of our species.

 

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and according to the Saudis the number one reason people join ISIS.

Also we live in a different world since before Israel was created. It was supposed to be one where might was not what was right and had laws to make sure of that. Really I guess if people believe it is fine Israel going back to the before we were properly civilised time and this goes on to result in people acting like Isis, I mean who can blame them as this is clearly already going on with might is right and it is fine for Israel to do whatever she likes to her people - or rather the people living in the land she wants.

No it is not as was it not with the Indians. Now we have laws to stop this behaviour. We appear now to be heading for a crises whereby we either start living up to them or we all go back to barbarity - was Israel worth it?

 

ISIS is a red herring. Yes, we should nuke ISIS. But Iran is the REAL TERROR NATION.

 

great to see that the cast majority of members support the 1967 borders.

its the fair and wise decision, and will end terrorism.

 

How could it do that when the Palestinians never accepted it?

 

The Palestinians did accept the Saudi Peace Plan.. In fact 22 Arab states signed on..

 

Saudi Plan did not allow for any land swaps.

Israel needs this.

 

Read it for yourself.


Emanating from the conviction of the Arab countries that a military solution to the conflict will not achieve peace or provide security for the parties, the council:

1. Requests Israel to reconsider its policies and declare that a just peace is its strategic option as well.

2. Further calls upon Israel to affirm:


I- Full Israeli withdrawal from all the territories occupied since 1967, including the Syrian Golan Heights, to the June 4, 1967 lines as well as the remaining occupied Lebanese territories in the south of Lebanon.

II- Achievement of a just solution to the Palestinian refugee problem to be agreed upon in accordance with U.N. General Assembly Resolution 194.

III- The acceptance of the establishment of a sovereign independent Palestinian state on the Palestinian territories occupied since June 4, 1967 in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with East Jerusalem as its capital.

3. Consequently, the Arab countries affirm the following:


I- Consider the Arab-Israeli conflict ended, and enter into a peace agreement with Israel, and provide security for all the states of the region.

II- Establish normal relations with Israel in the context of this comprehensive peace.

4. Assures the rejection of all forms of Palestinian patriation which conflict with the special circumstances of the Arab host countries.

5. Calls upon the government of Israel and all Israelis to accept this initiative in order to safeguard the prospects for peace and stop the further shedding of blood, enabling the Arab countries and Israel to live in peace and good neighbourliness and provide future generations with security, stability and prosperity.

6. Invites the international community and all countries and organisations to support this initiative.

7. Requests the chairman of the summit to form a special committee composed of some of its concerned member states and the secretary general of the League of Arab States to pursue the necessary contacts to gain support for this initiative at all levels, particularly from the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States of America, the Russian Federation, the Muslim states and the European Union.


For purposes of comparison, the following is an earlier draft discussed by Arab foreign ministers on 25 March, 2002, in advance of the summit:

http://www.al-bab.com/arab/docs/league/peace02.htm

 

no land swaps mentioned

 

The right of return of 5 million Arab pseudo refugees into Israel is a known non-starter which turns this whole "proposal" into a cheap PR stunt, nothing more. Lest we forget, defensible borders which aren't addressed, Islamic terrorist organizations like Hamas and others which rejected the proposal and the non-negotiable, take it or leave it nature of this ultimatum.

 

Iran actually has less terrorism, and is more secular than much of the Mid-East, the issue is not so much Iran's people, but rather Iran's government.

 

Israel also resembles a terror nation, what else would you call the buffer zone at Gaza, where Israelis even shoot at Palestinian children who approach the buffer zone?

 

Sure they just hang around hoping to pop some kids for no reason. Or perhaps there is a reason? I wonder what that could be?

 

Israel using terror due to terrorism?

I wonder how nuts Jewish organizations would be going if the U.S.A had the same exact buffer zone on the border with Mexico?

 

Why are you describing arabs as pathetic? You think Africans are too?

Eskimos? Aborigines?

 

Martin Van Cleveld , Israel's foremost military historian say that's BS..The West Bank doesn't provide any security when a missile can cross the West bank in seconds. HAMAS backed the Saudi proposal.

Israel ought to be ashamed.. They brought apartheid and persecution to Palestine.

 

I think every ethnicity has been pathetic in some form, or another in certain periods, even if some have been more than others.

His Swedes were pathetic in the Battle of Kircholm in 1605, when 3,600 Polish forces beat 11,800 Swedish forces in close to 20 minutes, with Polish forces killing, or capturing up to 8,000 Swedes.

 

Hundreds of Israeli and western generals are on record that 1967 lines are indefensible. Hamas (the democratically elected government of the Palestinians) and Islamic jihad never agreed to the plan.

 

Give us links, Borat. People want facts, not your ignorant babbling.

What, you have trouble finding some you like? I warned you, and guess who looks stupid by now. Every post you delay it, your credibility loses some more feathers. You are the one who insisted on this diversion - and now that you are stuck within it, I won't show any mercy.