What are the true risks of taking cannabis?

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  1. dw3421

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    First I didn't put these people in an experiment. They voted on it themselves and they had liberty to do so. So no ones life or liberty is on the line and I don't know why you keep repeating that. I'm basically saying stand back watch and make educated decisions before jumping the gun. That's it.
    Funny how I could tell from the maturity level of your posts that you don't have children! Time to grow up and learn how to conduct yourself respectfully when arguing and stop acting like a petulant immature child. As far as your parents being conservatives who are more open to different opinions. That's a 1st. Or is it since you seem to be VERY open to opinions differing from yours probably just like your parents right.
     
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    So if your teenager says he wants to start smoking something, whatever it is, will you say go for it or will you advise against it? How about your pregnant wife? Not harmful right😃


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  3. Mans

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    Just now, I am quitting smoking after years. I am tolerating a pressure. I don't know what is that but I just know I wish to light a cigarette!
    Despite my intense desire, I don't like to go back to smoking. I have not smoked from morning up to now and it seems a long time!. I had a cigarette at morning but I squeezed and broke it and throw that into recycle bin and promised myself to not smoke thereafter.

    Even quitting smoking cigarette is hard and troublesome and I don't know how will be quitting drugs among cannabis and marijuana?!
    Not smoking is hard and smoking is harder than it for me, because of its regret. Nonetheless I will wrestle with this smoky giant. I hope it not overcome me.

    Hey posters! don't impose yourself to addiction of cannabis and marijuana. Quitting these drugs will be hard. It is not a preachment or advice, but is a warning about addiction of cannabis. in addition to harms of cannabis and marijuana that I told in my previous post, they are intensely addictive.
     
  4. dw3421

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    I smoked weed for 16 years and quitting was one of the hardest things I ever had to do. Trying to sleep was (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) but once I was clean for about a month I started sleeping like a baby again.
    Good luck Mans and stay strong brother.
     
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    It is the safest recreational drug there is, far safer than alcohol. Americans need to learn to mind their own business and leave others alone. Jailing people and giving them a criminal record is not helping anyone, and anyone who thinks that it is is either ignorant or fooling themselves.
     
  6. Colombine

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    Many users don't "smoke" marijuana anymore. They vape THC solutions just like many smokers now vape instead, some with nicotine and some without.

    I smoked cigarettes for over 30 years but managed to give up seven years ago. I have a non-nicotine tobacco "flavor" vape stick which I occasionally have a couple of puffs on if I ever get a really strong craving to light up. Seems to work just fine.
     
  7. Len

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    Not smoking pot was easy, really easy, I smoked for several years a long time ago, all I did was......stop. Nothing to it.
    Now cigarettes, that was something else all together!
    I can't tell you how many times I tried to quit, 20-30 or more, was never successful.
    I smoked almost 2 packs a day for about 25 years.
    I finally quit 10 years ago by using that drug chantix.
    It was the only way I could quit.

    So say what you will from ignorance pot is not nearly as addictive as cigs.

    Keep up the good work, it is so very worth quitting! Just go a day at a time, you will get there.
     
  8. dw3421

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    Edibles are growing in popularity as well.
     
  9. dw3421

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    I only smoked pot never cigs or alcohol. It was my only stress relief. One would think smoking pot would be easier to quit when you have something like cigs or alcohol to fall back on. As I said I've never smoked cigs or drank , but from friends I know that have done all three they said quitting cigs and alcohol is much harder than giving up weed. I think I just had a hard time because it was my only crutch and I was such a heavy user. My biggest hurdle was the insomnia for the 1st month, but after that I was fine.
     
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    And the last thing we want in America is contented people.
     
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    You are comparing allowing people personal liberty with societally mandated experimentation. . A totally false comparison. By your logic allowing any product into society that science mandates as harmful is an experiment run by mad scientists. Soda pop, potatoe chips, alcohol, cigarettes, fried foods, motorcycles, etc. all come to mind.
     
  12. Libertarian ForOur Future

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    This sounds like the very same group of individuals that say playing video games make you violent. I've been smoking cannabis and playing video games for as long as I can remember. Having owned an Atari, Colecovision, NES, SNES, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Sega CD, Sony Playstation 1-3, Xbox/Xbox 360, none of that has caused me to wanting to be violent towards anyone, nor has smoking cannabis made me go crazy.

    In that same breath, I'd say it comes down to the individual themselves, who has these aggressive tendencies, into doing this type of stuff. When I smoke cannabis, I'm very relaxed, I can focus on things, and I just generally want to laugh & have a good time, as I always do. When I play video games, I do get a bit competitive, I will admit, but never to the point where I want to beat/kill someone.

    The reality is it comes down to the individual themselves. We, as humans, too often want to lump folks into the same group because 'Oh snap, I found a comparison', but it's a false narrative that just isn't true. Folks, of many different walks of life, have done both. Can/will it happen to folks? Absolutely it will. However, we, as humans, have to understand those limitations we, as humans, have with ourselves. Not everyone can do both, but understanding those limitations will only make us, as humans, that much stronger & smarter.
     
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    I have to agree. I don't know if there is any scientific facts behind it, but stop smoking cannabis is easy, when I have alcohol to crutch on it. However, I know the difference between the two, and I don't very much care for the feeling of being drunk over the feeling being high. As odd as this may sound to some folks, I can actually function better being high than I can being drunk. For folks who don't know or haven't used cannabis in a while might sound like I'm talking out my rear end, but it's the way I feel.

    As I act/function around my kids, I can tell that I'm often very sleepy and very unhappy when I'm drunk. I've even been told by my wife that I'm not allowed to have vodka, as it makes me too violent (Can attest, as the slightest thing will (*)(*)(*)(*) me off, and I'm ready to rumble). When I'm high, it's a different kind of euphoria, that I just want to have a good time, and want to make sure I get others to have the same good time as I am. Even if folks can't/don't want to experience that high, I try to ensure I can get them there. That brings out more of my happiness and everyone is just that much better because of it, in my opinion.
     
  14. Professor Peabody

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    Smoke all you want, they're your lungs to abuse.
     
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    You can use edibles or tinctures or vaporizers to alleviate that issue.
     
  16. Reality

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    You're way late to the party if you think I support prohibition. READ. It's good for you.
     
  17. Reality

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    Hey I didn't stick these people in this mad scientists experiment on their liberty (remembering that the war on drugs is mostly an executive push and therefore not voted on) I'm just going to stand around taking notes... like a scientist. (Also remembering that the control group is what I'm worried about not those who have freed themselves. )

    So you equate procreation with maturity? Go Google "teen mom". If that doesn't convince you that that sentiment is perhaps the most foolish thing said on this website today, I'll cite you all the cases I've been reading while preparing for oral argument on termination of parental rights and excusing reasonable efforts at reunification. If that doesn't help open your eyes to the fact grunting out some spawn and raising it doesnt equate to maturity, maybe you've taken one too many blows to the head.

    A petulant immature child who just wants you to stop helping the nation to death for its own good you self professed self hating former pot head. My grandmother can't see to drive at night. When the sun starts to go down she says "well you'd better get on the road honey or you won't be able to see to drive". I see fine. She's the one who can't yet she projects that onto everyone. Same with "heavy" boxes. She freaks out if I don't use a dolly to move a 5lb box because she can't. You're projecting just like she does. Because you couldnt handle smoking pot without becoming a burn out couch potato, obviously you find it difficult to accept fact and logic on the issue. She's in her 90s and in poor health. What's your excuse?

    Put it to you this way: mom was a Palin fan. She's a tea partier. She prefers Cruz this round but only for fairly obvious reasons. She's an Nurse Practitioner specializing in pain management. She was vp of her nurses association while an rn. She used to scoff at me when I talked to her about medical Marijuana. These days she's quite excited about it for its uses on chronic pain and for the fact that it allows you to prescribe less opioids or even none at all. Of course we can't really use it here in Texas, but reading the scholarly works on the subject she's been rather optimistic and quite open. If you knew my mother you'd realize this is a huge step for her, especially since I've been busted for petty possession in my youth and that truly got her by the mamabear instincts.

    Dad is a good lawyer, rather successful in his field. So obviously he's able to examine both sides of an argument objectively, giving him what people would call an open mind ie he does not disregard fact or logic because of emotion or because it makes him feel uncomfortable. He's talking about maybe voting libertarian this year because he finds Cruz to be and I quote him directly "a smarmy little (*)(*)(*)(*) who has some really awful strategic positions" (such as overturning roe v wade which just ain't going to happen. And he is near violently opposed to abortion. ) though he had some optimism for trump for awhile simply for the change of pace. You can imagine how emotional he might be about pot having had to practise in the same court his son was hauled before in County orange, shackled between a guy who flashed his pecker at an 8 year old and a thief. He's rather excited actually about legalization because he's a business man and doesn't like the sheer economic waste on all fronts of the drug war. Because it's bad for the nation and inimical to liberty, things he actually took an oath to give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about and surprise surprise actually does care about.
    They've both voted essentially party line republican longer than I've been alive and I'm near 30.
    You can be a conservative and have an open mind. It's not like being open to fact and logic make you a damn unicorn. You're projecting again.
    Also do not attempt to misframe my argument: I said open to ARGUMENTS. Open meaning willing to listen and consider with objectivity, arguments being strings of logic and fact tied together to push a particular position. These are to be distinguished from mere opinions which do not have to hold any fact or logic whatsoever. I'm not open to your OPINION because it is demonstrably formed from emotion and projection and not based in fact or logic. You started with emotion (but muh chillens) I responded with fact (the children are actually better off this way according to the data) and you responded with ( but.... muh chillens) and we've been serving that ball back and forth this whole time.
     
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    Since we're talking about existing laws why don't you cut the crap. No one asked about 13 yr Olds or infants in utero. No one mentioned letting a 13yr old spark a doobie or a pregnant woman.
    We've been talking 1) about average adult humans without predilection towards psychosis or problems with heartbeats or blood pressure. Pregnant women are not average adult humans whilst filled with seed, as any 3 yr old could tell you, 2) not even I have claimed that it is harmless. You can quote me or shut your trap about this weak strawman.

    You didn't ask but since you've brought it up: it's not safe for pregnant women to use many substances, including according to the data I've seen Marijuana. It's obviously not safe to introduce psychoactive chemicals upon an infant in utero either. You don't want to be adding or subtracting much from the natural equation.
    As to a teenager: 13-17? My kid my house my rules. Recreational drugs are for adults who can pay for them and who have an adults responsibilities under the law. It's also counter indicated in people under 18 according to the data but this effect disappears in the 18-25 group.
    18-19? Is he paying for it? Did he sign his selective service agreement? Yes and yes? He's an adult, it's not my choice but his and no there would be no great harm in it according to the data.
     
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    No one is advocating for children to ingest narcotics, many just believe adults should be able to consume a comparatively harmless organic substance in the privacy of their own home.

    Naw you're right. The better option is to throw them in prison and ruin all future opportunities they may have had while simultaneously ensuring they are unemployable. Makes sense...
     
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    It's funny my wife is a N.P. as well so we have something in common. It's also funny she is all for it medically and so am I. Where did I say I wasn't? Again it's funny that the one who is not against legalization (or for it) is the one who is close minded to the situation and the one who is hell bent on one side of the argument(you) is very open minded. Also I am opposed to the war on drugs and what it has done to it's victims, so now who's projecting? When you finally have kids (if ever) call me 14 years later and tell me if that hasn't taught you anything. The things it will teach most humans is patience, problem solving and how to walk the walk and not just talk the talk as well as a ton of other things. If you don't become more mature after having children you might not end up with the best parenting skills much like your teen mom friends on MTV. You have along way to go bro ,but I am praying that you get there one day.
     
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    Nope. Make drugs legal, but eliminate all public assistance for drug related illness. If you want to be addicted, be addicted. You want to be strung out or high, go for it. Want to be a loser. I'm not stopping you. Just don't expect anyone else to pay for it or your medical issues when you ruin your life and everyone around you. &$(#)@ yourself up in the privacy of your own home. You have every right to do that, but my right should be to NOT be FORCED support YOUR habit when it all goes wrong....and it does go wrong. Sound fair?

    Read my post history on weed. I'm all for making it legal, taxing and regulating it just like alcohol. Allow businesses to treat it the same as well.
     
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    You should be free to do whatever you want in your own house. But will you face any consequences on your own dime or hold out your hand?
     
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    No you read, and then quote where I said you support prohibition. What I said was comparing issues of personal liberty with societally mandated experimentation was a false comparison.
     
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    Sounds fair to me. And lets not require society to help alcoholics or fat people or people who get injured while working because after all these are all choices too. Hell, society shouldn't actually help old people either since they had the choice of committing suicide while they were young.
     

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