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  1. tsuke

    tsuke Well-Known Member

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    yeah for the record I think if Sanders won and was expected to raise 2 billion for the downticket he would get billionare doners too. Its just so hard when you have to raise the money for senators and congressmen too.
     
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    I have not seen the fundraising figure for the last election, but the Speaker was raising over 100 million since the last Pelosi term. All the committee chairs and other leaders raise huge sums that can be used to control Representatives and Senators who are not good fundraisers, and for incumbent loyalists in tough races. They surfed on cash at Boehner's legendary beach parties.

    It is a corrupt mess.
     
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    Trump will crush the life out of her. And she'll go down in the midst of one of her famous coughing fits.

    I can't wait.
     
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    Looks now like Trump has at least an outside chance of getting to 1237 delegates - despite it being impossible to do. :roflol:
     
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    I don't see how. You can't win a general election with only old white men
     
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    if Trump wins-many Hilary fan boys' heads will go the way of the Martians in "MARS ATTACKS"
     
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    At the executive summary level, it simply doesn't matter what Trump personally believes or what the psychology of his supporters is. It matters what he'd actually do if elected. Do you doubt that a President Trump would institute deportation squads? Do you doubt that he'd be less than fussy about making sure the people deported are actually not authorized to be in the country so long as he's kicking brown people out of the country? Do you doubt that his followers would take his election as a cue to go after whoever their favorite hate targets are? Do you doubt that President Trump would have no more time for process and checks and balances than candidate Trump has? Or that he'd react to opposition and criticism the same way he reacted to Megyn Kelly? Or that he'd have no qualms at all about using all the powers of the Presidency (including the FBI, NSA, IRS, etc) to pursue those kinds of feuds?

    A lot of people - especially white Americans - think that "racism" means people in white hoods burning a cross on someone's lawn in the middle of the night. That sort of thing is obviously immoral, and since most people believe they're good people, they can't possibly be racist. Even though deep down (or maybe not so deep down) they're afraid that if blacks ever get real political power in the US, they'll turn around and do to whites what whites have been doing to blacks all these years. And that's the real reason that so many Republicans feel that their party has betrayed them: the GOP allowed a black man to serve two full terms as President. And that is what's fueling the Trump campaign.

    There's a real danger that Trump could become President, especially if Democrats (and democrats!) become complacent. What I'm saying is that we need to start thinking now about what would happen if that came to pass, and preparing for it.

    (Facepalm) No, the Underground Railroad was not a secret tunnel. It was a network of brave people willing to put their lives on the line to help slaves escape from the antebellum South. I'm keeping company with Frederick Douglass and Harriet Tubman, and proud to be. Trumpers are keeping company with the likes of Franco, Pinochet and Mussolini. Fortunately not keeping company with Hitler, since Trump's just too stupid to be a Hitler. I hope.

    If you immigrated legally you were very likely either admitted as a refugee, under the family reunification program, or by being sponsored by an employer. For ordinary people who aren't immediate family members of US citizens and permanent residents it's virtually impossible to immigrate legally. And why would that be, hmmmm? Couldn't possibly have anything to do with keeping brown people out of the country, could it?

    And before you start telling me how you can't possibly be racist because of your background, I would remind you that Adolf Hitler's paternal grandfather was very likely Jewish, and Hitler knew it.

    No, Trump won the nomination by being the one most willing to say overtly racist things on the campaign trail. "I'll be such a great President that we'll win so much that you'll get tired of winning. You're going to love it, trust me." is not a position, it's BS.
     
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    Will you support the subjugation of Asian laborers slaving under communist totalitarianism that benefits your brown (and white) people via redistribution?

    Using your logic, are you not racist against them, since you are perpetuating a system that loots the products of their labor, to you, and select "brown" people?

    Do you really think Asians should be your slaves?

    If not, then vote Trump.
     
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    Oh shut up already , face the reality . Americans are sick of you lefties shoving your ridiculousness down their throat. Now deal with trump. Maybe it will work if you call all trump supporters stupid as well as racist. Come on, shout it out for everyone to see.
     
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    Yes, I doubt that, as president, the show business personality would either attempt or be allowed to institute the anti-American agendas he has shamelessly promoted to lure the alienated element that is vulnerable to such enticements. His hateful talk is especially cheap, and his visions of ethnic cleansing and religious discrimination are not within the purview of presidential power.

    It is disturbing that he is able to derive support from a segment of the population that is sympathetic to the repugnant attitudes of the neo-nazi and other white supremacist organizations that publicly endorse his candidacy whilst refusing to honestly admit to that affinity.

     
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    I agree with this part, but Trump is not the answer. He is dangerous to conservatives and liberals, to the wealthy and the working class, to brown and even to white. The only people who will be safe are his yes-men, the people willing to hop inboard the falsely-marketed Trump Train.

    It's really a shame because republicans are throwing away one of the best opportunities they've ever had to take the White House and repair some of the domestic damage the progressives have done. Hillary is easy to defeat, but now it looks like we'll have to wait until 2020 to do it.
     
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    Marla Maples
     
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    Hillary has never faced blunt no holds barred attacks before. Trump will not take any prisoners and will eat her alive.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Also because Trump has turned his guns toward her
     
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    Bernie voters may be pissed about how their candidate won most primaries but Hillary won the delegates in the corrupt DNC system. They may diss hill and stay home or even vote for trump
     
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    Did you happen to catch Bernie's speech last night in Oregon. He said something to the effect that one of the main jobs of Clinton and himself is to defeat Trump. The crowd went wild.
     
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    all depends on how the voters feel later on :) personally i hope bernie wins every election the rest of this primary process scoring around 50-60% :)
     
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    Excellent interactive site. Trump could get to 270 by winning NV, CO, NH, NC, MI, and FL. Which still leaves Hillary with NM, PA, VA, WI, IA, and OH.

    After the conventions, when the polls become more meaningful, this will be a fun site to plug in the latest trend.
     
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    No kidding. Some silly fool thinks I'm an old white man.

    /wrong.
     
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    LOL. Why do you think it is so much better for someone else to promote eternal conflict in the Middle East besides Hillary? Why do you think it is better for someone else to preside over our alliance with Communist governments to help them maximize the profits of slave labor?

    So you just don't like her and just want someone else to do the same things she will do?
     
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    I think you will probably turn out to have been right.
    After the Indiana vote went for Trump by 16% when a week before it had been close to dead even it seemed Indiana Republicans were reacting to the massive Trump victories in New England.
    People like to vote for a winner.
    The other thing is scores of millions of Americans are coming out from under 50 years of P.C. anesthesia, and fast.:salute:
     
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    Oh yes, I'm sure that Trump and his voters are motivated purely by a desire to help the ordinary people of China. Has nothing at all to do with blaming anything wrong with the US on those evil foreigners. Riiiiiight.

    Firstly, North Korea is a totalitarian regime. The government of China is authoritarian, not totalitarian. There's a difference. For example, a totalitarian would simply shoot protestors on the spot. An authoritarian would merely say something like, "So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell— I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees."

    Next, workers in China are hardly slaves. By US standards they may be underpaid with inadequate protections for workplace safety and so forth, but that's a far far cry from someone whose family may be sold off and sent to someplace across the country where they'll never see each other again so their owner can make a quick buck.

    You also seemed to be confused about what "redistribution" means. Redistribution is when some organization (typically the government) taxes the wealthy and uses the proceeds for the benefit of the poor and middle class with things like programs to feed the hungry or public education. Allowing employers to treat their workers as horribly as they please and pay them as little as they please so they can drive any competition out of business by underpricing them is the free market at its worst.

    So the question is what's the best way to improve the situation in china? Should we use the diplomatic leverage provided by our trading relationship to pressure the Chinese government into agreeing to treaties stipulating at least minimal protections for consumers, workers, the environment and so forth, or do we cut of trade relations in some sort of protectionist scheme that throws out whatever influence we have with the Chinese government and does tremendous damage to both our economies, hurting living standards for everyone on both sides of the Pacific and greatly increasing the chances of armed confrontations or even the outbreak of full war?

    Shut up already? Make me. It's time for you to face reality: conservative white males are a minority in the US and always will be - you do not get to speak for America nor do you get to dictate government policy. And if you're sick of a black man being President - tough beans, deal with it. As for calling Trump supporters stupid, I thought I already did. Did I use too many big words for you? In case you missed it, I also called Trump supporters authoritarians and brownshirts. Ask Wikipedia if you don't know what a brownshirt is. You should pay particular attention to what happened to them once they were no longer useful to their master.

    In that case I have to say that I think you're being recklessly optimistic. And I would remind you that ethnic cleansing and religious discrimination weren't within the purview of the Chancellor of Weimar Germany either. Why do you think that Trump wouldn't at least try to do the things he says? So far he seems to be simply incapable of admitting that he's ever made a mistake of any kind whatsoever, and changing course is an admission of error. He's also shown nothing but contempt for rules and political process of any kind. Look at the way he manipulated the debates for his own benefit. Look at the way he straightfacedly declares that any part of the nominating process that doesn't directly benefit him is crooked and corrupt. As you yourself pointed out he's been very good at playing to his audience - he knows exactly why his supporters are with him and what they expect, and he knows that they'll turn on him if they perceive him as selling out. They haven't cared about all the stupid boorish things he's said and done because they only care about race. They're with him without question so long as he keeps tightening the screws on all the non-whites. Why would you expect any of that to change if he got elected?

    ROFLMAO!! :roflol::roflol::roflol: Hillary's never faced no holds bared attacks? Where have you been for the last twenty years? Republicans have been accusing her of absolutely everything they can think of ever since she first arrived on the national political scene. I mean, they accused her of murdering one of her best friends (Vince Foster) for crying out loud. You really think that Trump accusing her of being smelly and having cooties is going to be worse?
     
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    This is why we need to turn the discussion to trade. It's interesting and notable that the pc hit jobs do not work on Trump. But the message has to be about WHY the establishment and the media are so dead set against him. It's TRADE. TRADE is the issue.

    There are clips of Donald Trump saying the same thing about trade 30 years ago that he has campaigned on for the last year.

    He is beyond reproach on trade and that is the only issue. We can not deal with any other issue while hemorrhaging on trade. The communist/internationalist alliance is the most destructive thing in the world today, radical Islam being something close to a secretary by comparison.
     
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    We are not electing a trade minister. There are many issues at play. The president does not even have the power to make trade deals by himself
     

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