Post #2 is an anecdotal story and does not mean all those that concealed carry make bad decisions. The fact is that you and everyone else has made bad decisions. Fact is evil finds people in spite of their decisions. Your brain is your greatest asset to help reduce chances of evil finding you.
Post #2 makes the claim that if the woman had had a firearm the outcome would be different. The outcome was the direct result of her foolish decision to go jogging alone in a wooded marshland over the objections of her father and the advice commonly given by law enforcement. It was not her "failure" to be armed that led to her death, it was her stupidity. And a gun will not save you from stupidity.
What proof do you have that if that young lady had a concealable handgun, and shot her attacker several times, the tables would not have been turned and her attacker killed ? Your lack of empathy or sympathy for the victim now dead is most telling, you are not a very nice person. You are expressing an abnormal hostility towards the dead victim, this is not normal, somewhat expected of a sociopath.
Could she have made a better decision? Probably, but doesn't mean that if she had a concealed firearm and training that the outcome couldn't have been different. There is no way to know. Your brain is your greatest asset.
I move that his brain is not.Maybe that's just me.Or is his brain his greatest asset?The world may never know.
You just answered it, if the brain is in the wrong location, it is a great ass-et, sometimes damaged by sitting down too hard, damage resulting from the impact you know.
No, it is a recognition that, at all times, we are responsible for our own safety and when we make stupid mistakes no gun will protect us.
And what proof do you have to the contrary? I can HOWEVER prove that if she had made the smart decision, stayed home, gone to an indoor track, found a group to run with, that the outcome would have been different. Get a life. Are you really so ignorant that you cannot discern the difference between empathy and analysis? You're right I have no empathy towards her. She's dead. Empathy towards her is useless. I feel for her parents and especially her father who must be wracked with guilt because he was unable to run with her and unable to convince her that it was foolish to run alone. I am sure there is not a moment of any day that goes by that he does not replay all of the events and wonder what he could have done to save her. And I, BTW, was not the one who introduced her death into this thread. Perhaps you should take your "analysis" up with him.
Correct! At all times we are responsible for our own safety, which is why ccw and training is a good idea for many. However, just because you make a bad decision doesn't mean that in certain situations, that a concealed firearm can't save your life.
Spin it how you want, you are still blaming the victim In this case, exactly like rape victims get blamed by some for "making a bad decision" by wearing the wrong thing. And yes it is possible that a firearm can protect you even if you made a bad decision. We all make bad decisions. Bad decisions only increase the chance that you may need your firearm. Doesn't mean you can't have a successful use of a defensive weapon.
I make a conscious decision to avoid many places I feel are not conducive to My safety, however, I have been attacked in parking lots, WAL*MART, Kroger's, Home Depot, just minding My own business, and some fool points a weapon at Me and says; Give Me the cash ! so, he wants it, he gets it........ I guess going to a store is a bad decision, I should stay barricaded in a cave like a Herman's Hermit.
As demonstrated earlier, if you make a stupid decision, say, go to an ATM at 4 in the morning, a little drunk and fail to check the surroundings, your probability of dying is 4.5-5.5 higher if you are armed. Not the gun that saves you, pure dumb luck.
Spin it hour YOU want. Adding a firearm does not reduce the risk of an attack. The person in question acted with reckless disregard for her own safety and against the wishes of her father who was concerned about exactly what happened. I don't place blame. I look at facts and determine where mistakes were made and in this case the woman ignored even the most basic safety protocols.
The reason why estimating the effectiveness of self-defense with a gun is difficult is because they are usually "non-events". In most cases people simply brandish their gun to a possible threat, and the would-be criminal backs down. There's other research on this area. Gary Kleck is a big name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kleck#Defensive_gun_use_research_and_debate
Who in their right mind would make the claim that carrying a concealed firearm reduces the risk of an attack? It only give you a fighting chance if an attack occurs and your life is in imminent danger.
Why would anyone in their right mind stagger to an ATM at any time Drunk ? risk a DUI, at 4 am ? Sounds like a purchase of Illegal Drugs to Me. That adds a few elements to the picture here, explains quite a bit.
And those numbers you keep quoting are false, or show your formula of how you arrive at this 4.5- 5 times more likely to die if you are Armed. There is no Dumb Luck in resisting an Attack, any Soldier can tell you that. I have successfully resisted Armed Attacks from a very early age, I was 10 years old when I disarmed an attacker that had a rather large knife.
I don't do stuff like that, I do not visit ATM at 4 am, or go about Drunk at any hour, or visit Stripper clubs, or nude bars, or even a Taco truck at 4 am, I like to have My head clear.
