Second Debate Thread

what a crazy debate... very nasty. Imagine how Bill and Chelsea Clinton felt knowing 4 of Bill's accusers were there.

20 mins into the debate, it was an absolute disaster for Trump.. he wasn't answering questions, he was insensitive when answering the Muslim girl's question, he didn't have a good answer for the healthcare question, he didn't answer the video question very well, he was unpresidential, angry and he looked awkward and uncomfortable. Then he got into a groove and finished strongly... very strong. In the second half of the debate, he looked comfortable walking around, having the right facial expressions and he was bringing up a lot of negative things about Hillary, or at least trying to prosecute her. He was pivoting nicely when attacked... Hillary looked uncomfortable.

I call it a draw... If Trump would've started as strong as he finished and not threatened to jail Hillary if he became president (will turn off independents) he would've won bigly.

 

She committed perjury! She said she didn't destroy evidence, and proceeded to destroy evidence. She said she didn't withhold emails, lo and behold she withheld emails! There are many other charges others have levied, but the one without a CENTER of a doubt is perjury! Are we seriously going to let her get away with perjury? Congress went HAM over the performance enhancing drugs, but we're going to accept this?

 

Neither campaign damaged themselves, but neither campaign gave themselves a pat on the back either.

 

She has to be under oath to commit perjury.

Whenever she is under oath, she cant remember or pleads the 5th.

Its totally legal for a politician to lie right to your face, they just cant do it under oath.

 

Yeah, thanks for the reality check. I saw that and thought there was a fly in my house that landed on the TV. It was a big fly too.

 

He whipped out that "deplorables" thing again.
She shouldn't have to apologize for that remark, but there are some inaccuracies in it. It's not "half" of his supporters, it's all. And "deplorables" isn't really the right word. I would say it's more like "dufuses".

 

To me, Perjury is to perjure yourself whether you're under oath or not. She lied about not having classified information, she then lied about withholding information and she lied about not destroying it when she in fact did destroy it.

If the excuse for her criminal behavior is that "we didn't hold the procedures for someone to be under oath", that speaks to the level of criminality Hillary WILL be able to get away with as president.

 

the difference between you and me is that i'm a true independent and only care about solving problems in this Country. I have issues with liberals and conservatives...

NO, saying that he will appoint an attorney general that will jail Hillary was NOT OK... this is what dictators do, this is imperial presidency on steroids.

I think Trump started really badly and finished very strongly.. I actually wanted Trump to win so my criticism is not biased at all.

 

Trump isn't yer standard polished,practiced Liar Pol.
He expressed in plain English how those like Hillary are ALL Talk.
Always ALL talk.Nothing ever gets done.In a nutshell that's it.That's
what this election is all about.Hillary Clinton is all about her practiced
lies and rehearsed talking pts.It means nothing.Just like the way she
did absolutely Nothing for her supposed friend { Ambassador Stevens }
when he desperately was calling { that 3 am call in the middle of the night
commercial }.Instead she was E-mailing snake in the grass Sid Blumenthal.
Hillary is all about practiced lies and incompetence.And having this corrupt
MSM constantly take up for her.

 

Sure it was a draw, but pointing out the he would put Hillary in jail was probably his best moment. That will have appeal to some independents and Bernie supporters.

 

She committed a Crime! You don't deny she committed a crime, Liberals aren't even denying her criminality. And so now Trump is an imperialist for charging Hillary with the crimes she should be charged with?

 

Yes, the first 20 minutes were terrible, but I think he won "bigly" with the jail comment. Hillary absolutely belongs in jail for here crimes, and I think a lot of people feel like she gets special treatment. Average people care equality before the law (I do anyway) and this whole business with the AG meeting with Bill Clinton, and the fecklessness of the FBI really bothers me.

"The laws must bind everybody high and low, or they are not laws at all."- Arthur Pendragon (I love the movie Excalibur)

 

Yeah, I don't think either of them win or lose in these recent debates, but at least they get to talk about their positions which are so different from each other. That's what the American people need to hear. The media is also on trial here. If they are unfair in anyway, it will do good to the candidate they were unfair to and further reveal that the media can't be trusted.

 

Yeah but if she appears before Congress and is questioned by
Senators or Congressman and purposedly lies about something
she can be proven to have direct knowledge of,she doesn't have to be
under oath.There is a law about that,as well.

 

Trump did better than expected but i don;t think he won the debate and it's because he started so damn poorly.... he finished strong but he was a mess in the first 20 mins, a total mess... i was about to turn it off because i wanted him to do well. Gladly, he got into a comfort zone and finished strongly...

 

Considering what he had hanging over his head going into the debate tonight, I think he surpassed all expectations.

Most everybody thought he was a dead man walking with the weight of America's collective vagina bearing down on him. That he was able to get through that and deliver a solid performance ought to worry the Hillary-bots.

He'll be loaded for bear next time out.

 

Nevertheless, the pragmatic among us will vote for the candidate that appears to be going in the direction we want for our country--and giving it away to foreigners that do not even like us or care about the country's security is not the way many of us choose.

 

the problem with Trump is that he came across as not likable, at all. His strategy was to also make Hillary not look good and i think he succeeded but if you are undecided, there was little to like about Trump. Yes, the base loved this, those who hate Hillary loved this but those who are in the middle? Trump wasn't likable nor was he presidential.... if he won any undecided voters today it was because he made them think Hillary is worse than he is but not because he came across as likable or presidential.

Again, i'm calling it a draw... but it was one unlikeable and unpresidential candidate trying to make the other more unlikeable and less presidential.

 

she is sorry the propaganda against the terrorists bothered republicans so much, why does the right defend the terrorists so?

ironically though the propaganda about the video actually turned out to be true

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Trump does say some decent stuff about policy. I think his student loan plan is one of the best. A lot of it is just written of as "uneducated" because it is not the direction the Republican-Democrat unified party want to go in.

 

That is the problem...no one voting for either one of these people can even remotely be considered "pragmatic". Honestly, from your statement it could infer either of the two.

 

Not sure what propaganda against terrorists you're talking about. I only heard the propaganda against the maker of a video, and I certainly have never heard that it magically turned out to be true. Source?

 

As if the political class in this country know what an "educated" program is? All Trump has to do to shut the Democrats up is to quote Ronald Reagan.

"We've spent more than double on the war on poverty, and we've doubled the rate of those impoverished". It's hard to actually deal with the problems facing this country, from an ivory tower in Washington DC. As Hillary admitted in her leaked cable. She's not the ONLY ONE. Half of Washington is politically and socially ignorant and the danger arises when such ignorant people have the power to pass legislation.

 

no matter what it is good we are finally discussing some of the stuff that trump brings up. It is long past time. When NAFTA first started it was easy to tell people in detroit and other cities that they would be getting higher class jobs for the ones they would give up. 20-30 years in we should be checking if those higher class jobs promised actually materialized.

 

Even if Hillary should win in 2016, if substantial improvements aren't seen(or hell, if it actually gets worse.) There won't be an establishment candidate anywhere, not even in the ranks of either the GOP OR Dems. We'll see Elizabeth Warren put her name in the hat in 2020 on the Liberal side. I think we Nationalists can build an even stronger case in 2020.

And as far as the Establishment GOP, it's gone forever as the ones who originated the system.