Final Battle Starting To Free Aleppo From Terrorists- As Per UN Resolution

Not sure what Assad surviving and democracy being the "wonder-cure" has to do with the issue.

US foreign policy is driven by economic factors and not "promoting democracy and freedom". This is a "necessary illusion" sold to the raging masses.

Noam Chomsky (Jewish American) wrote extensively about these topics:

Necessary Illusions (Thought control in a democratic society)
Manufacturing Consent (Political economy of the mass media)

US foreign policy being morally bankrupt is nothing new. It is the rule rather than the exception.

Supporting death squad dictators in El Salvador and Guatemala. Training these Latin American insurgents in terror tactics at the "School of the America's"

Trying overthrowing a popular democratically elected leader in Nicaragua (Contra's) and funding this effort through collusion with drug cartels.

Supporting Suharto for decades while he was committing genocide after annexation of East Timor.

Supporting Saddam while he used poison gas on Iran and his subjects.

Now we have Libya and Syria (not to mention Afghanistan and Iraq). Libya is now a Jihadist wonderland. Over 300,000 civilians have been killed so far in Syria because Obama teamed up with Saud, Turkey, and others to arm and support human garbage yet again (Al Qaeda/Al Nusra, Islamic Front, ISIS and other groups of the same ilk)

I left out a bunch but, just on the basis of what I have listed, I would say that you do not judge harshly enough.

 

Your narrative is a false one. Ironically YOU are the one prone to WESTERN propaganda. Independent journalists Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett have recently returned from Syria. I recommend you read their accounts.

 

We had nothing to do with the civil war in Syria.. The war was brewing from 2005 for a half dozen reasons.. never mind that Syria has a long history of military coups and counter coups and assassinations since 1949.

They also have a long history of sectarian strife and mass murder of Syrian citizens.

Make some effort to learn about Syria.. You won't be so easily duped.

 

Naturally yours is to, but being a leftist....you just never were in the knowing.


U.N. investigators say most Syria rebels not seeking democracy.....


Most Syrian rebel fighters do not want democracy and the country's civil war is producing ever worse atrocities and increasing radicalization, independent U.N. investigators said on Tuesday.

Speaking to reporters in Paris, Brazilian expert Paulo Pinheiro said his team of investigators had documented horrific crimes on both sides, although the scale of those committed by President Bashar al-Assad's forces was greater.

"It was said the rebels were angels, but there is only a minority of fighters with a democratic history who believe in the Syrian mosaic and want a state for all," he said.

"The majority of rebels are very far from having democratic thoughts and have other aspirations."

The Islamist element of the Syrian conflict poses a quandary for Western powers and their Arab allies, which favor Assad's overthrow, but are alarmed at the growing power of militant Sunni Muslim fighters whose anti-Shi'ite ideology has fuelled sectarian tensions in the Middle East.

While Assad has repeatedly labeled opposition forces as "terrorists", Western powers have backed non-Islamist rebel fighters by providing aid and non-lethal assistance.

Pinheiro leads an independent team of some two dozen experts mandated by the United Nations that documents crimes committed during the conflict, in which at least 80,000 people have been killed.

Its next report is due out on June 4 and will be based on interviews since February conducted abroad with victims and witnesses, as they have not been allowed into Syria.

"The report is dreadful in terms of a combination of secularization, radicalization and an escalation in violations of human rights and laws of war," he said.

Both government forces and armed rebels are committing war crimes, including killings and torture, spreading terror among civilians in the more than two-year conflict.....snip~


U.N. investigators say most Syria rebels not seeking democracy | Reuters


Btw.....all of this is old news. So just how did you get left out in the cold? Oh yeah.....that's Right. You were listening to BO peep and his team.

Those mopes never had a clue.

 

What hospitals, what schools, where and on what dates?

 

I also want to ask him, why if the "evil Assad" is bombing his own people in eastern Aleppo, have 7 million civilians escaped from the terrorist-held areas their to safe havens in the Assad-controlled areas of the west?

 

You need to do the same Margot.....you didn't even have a clue as to the Saud supporting and funding Al Nusra who pledged to Daesh in 2014.

You know.....where I just schooled you and gave you the learnin. That you had been missing all this time.

Moreover you didn't know anything about the MB and all the Bull(*)(*)(*)(*) they started up there with the protests.


http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...-email-saudi-arabia-qatar-funding-isis-6.html

Maybe the Sunni needs to stay the hell out of Shia ran Countries. Might slow that dream of theirs down.

 

Well now, it's hard to have an informed discussion about covert, clandestine operations, a speciality of our military-dominated state, but it's widely known that we've been there for years arming the "rebels" and fomenting this civil war, calling for Assad to step down. Would they have had the means to put up a fight against the government there without our aid? I really wonder. More likely it would just be Assad's bunch vs IS at this point, if IS even would have tried and gotten in. The chaos we helped to create gave them an opening, and we know it's given them our military equipment and training also.

 

Daily Mail or White Helmet sources?

 

Are you denying that the US alliance-NATO objective from the outset has been "humanitarian intervention" with the view to regime change?

 

Are you actually not willing to accept that the Western mainstream media engages in false propaganda? Your narrative is a false one.

 

Yeah, the protests came about with the Muslim brotherhood who cited they would go with peaceful protests and how they were looking for their version of Democracy. As usual.....the MB and their vow just never takes place.

 

Of course I admit it. Anyone who denies it is obviously either a victim or perpetrator of it.

But, there is propaganda and then there is propaganda. And RT is the media outlet for the Russian government and whose editorial content is controlled by it. Or didn't you notice that?

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Except there isn't any humanitarian intervention thanks to the Russians. As for regime change being the desired outcome for both the US and NATO, you can bet your sweet bippie it is.

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No, UN, Reuters, CNN, BBC, API, Al-Jezeera to name a few. I know all of them relating the same sort of stories is nothing more than western propaganda.

 

REad for yourself. The list is a fairly long one at least according to these various international sources.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/22/three-syrian-hospitals-bombed-since-russian-airstrikes-began-doctors-say

https://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=Syrian%20hospitals%20bombed%20list&oq=Syrian%20hospitals%20bombed%20list&rlz=1C1VFKB_enCA606CA606&aqs=chrome..69i57.6481j0j9

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/29/middleeast/syria-save-the-children-hospital/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/syria-hospital-bombings-war-strategy-1.3566807

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/02/strikes-schools-hospitals-syria-war-crimes-160216032712298.html

 

Regime change is illegal.

 

But not prosecutable in any court of law thus rendering it more a guideline or recommendation than a law.

 

look like your bro speak...

A German undercover journalist enrolled as an intern at the RT Deutsch studio to spy on “Putin’s propaganda broadcaster,” but things didn’t exactly go as planned. After just two days, the man began to question the mainstream media bias – and his own worldview.
German youth magazine Neon planted journalist Martin Schlak at the RT Deutsch office in Berlin. His mission was to find out how "Russia's truth" – to use his own term – is being made.

“I’m a spy,” Schlak admits.

He writes he was eager to learn if RT’s daily work would live up to the terms used by German mainstream media to describe it, such as “Putin’s propaganda broadcaster” and “the Kremlin’s weapon of hybrid warfare.”

To do that, Schlak enrolled as an intern and became "Putin's man" for several weeks.
“What did I actually imagine would be there? A fax in the middle of the newsroom, sending orders from the Kremlin every minute?” Schlak asks himself ironically.

Reality turned out to be a bit more mundane. The self-styled spy mentions friendly co-workers, coffee machines and an intelligent chief editor speaking perfect German.
In the friendly atmosphere, Schlak’s cover appeared unexpectedly flimsy.

“I’m asking myself whether you’re a spy sent to us by the Bild newspaper,” an RT Deutsch employee joked, given how many questions Schlak was asking.

Fearing for his guise, the ‘mole’ tried to act by the playbook – but then something quite unexpected happened.

“I’m now hesitating about what I deem true,” Schlak said. “Who lies and who writes the truth? I don’t know anymore."

“I trust my new colleagues – who I have known for only a couple of days – more than all of Germany’s large news agencies put together,” he says.

“Deutsche Welle is the taxpayer-funded international broadcaster in charge of giving coverage to the German and other perspectives on politics, culture and economy,” his article goes on. “Is it exactly the same what RT is doing, to promote understanding of Russia’s position?”

However, Schlak eventually overcame his doubts and remained an MSM supporter after he took a look at the results of one of the RT Deutsch’s polls on Facebook. The poll showed that 42 percent of RT Deutsch audience supported the German Left Party and another 17 percent backed the anti-immigrant populist Alternative for Germany (AfD).

As a result, Schlak formed the conclusion that RT Deutsch produces media content for marginalized groups in German society and gives them a “consonant worldview” that perfectly coincides with their own protest sentiment.

RT Deutsch “produces such concordant worldview… that confirm the user’s already-shaped opinion,” Schlak wrote in his article, adding that it “is the true threat of Russia Today.”

Schlak then once again spoke to Professor Appel, who told him that “people tend to stick to a consonant worldview that is also internally consistent” and “ignore” or “downplay” the facts that do not fit in this worldview.

Schlak’s article was published only in the printed version of NEON newspaper. https://www.rt.com/news/362410-rt-germany-msm-bias/

 

You need to familiarize yourself with the work of independent journalists on the ground in Syria like Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett.

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Irrelevant.

 

And who has that 'solution'?

 

Well...Trump already has a rapport with Putin....

 

Well they're certainly going to need each other if the war against IS is to be won. Everyone else - especially us - seems to be in denial of it.

 

Obviously no one....which is why it is still an issue. However "Bombing The Hell Out Of Them" is definitely not the solution.

 

Of course is a 1:1 comparison of East Germany and Syria not correct and I didn’t do this. I took only election and not more!

Of course is Saudi Arabia not better and I told this always too and “bash” on them same way! Point is that I don’t care about in matter of political glasses like “this bad guys are better as that one, because our bad guys” or something like this, because bad is bad – point!

True is that Assad regime gave security to minorities like Christians and others against islamists and this is good … but same was given by Saddam Hussain in Iraq but I don’t think you will ever defend Saddam Hussain in matter that he was not a bloody bastard of dictator!
As in Iraq, the tank of these minorities is clear and so they always fought for their dictators who saved them and so took in higher ranks in the regime of course and used their power against majorities In full too (Iraqi foreign minister under Saddam was for example a Christian). So your last words that they are fighting for Assad is correct, but no argument that hit at least …
But your defending of Assad regime with reasoning that he saved minorities is lame out of other reason too, because this security is only one side of the coin. The other side shows a bloody dictatorship with pressure against any sort of opposition against his power and regime … no matter if moderate, Islamic or whatever sort of opposition. It shows that Syria had never any sort of free elections and even the last one was only a farce when looking deeper into it.

Correct is that most powerful rebel groups in Syria (and Iraq) are aside Kurds only these scum of islamists. This is a bad sign and suituation and it is true that Saudi Arabia is often behind this scum… but not only. You know that behind many is much more Qatar behind?

The core problem is that the West and the East too made after end of WW-2 the complete region to a bad bunch of dictator regimes during cold war. Both sides supported and backed their dictators full, no matter how bloody they are.
These dictators pressed their population much to stay in power and this was widely accepted by all. The turning point was the revolution in Iran which changed all to be more Islamic … because the Islamic religion was the only thing the casual people could have in freedom even under worst dictators. So they took their freedom out of religion and no matter if worst ideologies or religions (for me the same), they are the ground where rat pipers of all sort can catch people and brain wash them to follow and believe the worst BS.

And Hezbollah, Hamas? There are many of them and it the usual as well MORE IMPORTANT the core problem that the rating who of them is a terrorist group and who of them is a “resistance group” is full of individual rating and depends who is ally of them!
Kurds in North Syria and North Iraq (YPG, PKK and others) fight against ISIS … and those in Syria support Assad regime too in matter of working together with these rests of his army existing in the region! But who is again fighting the Kurds? Turkey!
Al Nusra was and is supported by Turkey and for whom are they again worst terrorists please? Russia and Assad.
Hezbollah was always supported by Syria and Iran and is fighting side by side in Syria with Assad and Russia. But for whom all are they or minim their militia a terror group?

And what many people do not know, ignore or rate as minor point is that ISIS is in war with nearly all other terror groups too as they are in war with ISIS of course. You know that ISIS slaughter Al Qaida, Al Nusra, Taliban, Hezbollah and other fighters same bestial way by burning alive to death or cutting off heads … and they do not better with captured fighters of ISIS?

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So what?

Do you want to say that only Western media is BS but Russia media is telling the truth?

Both ... or better to say all are using media as tool for propaganda and they make too often out black white and reverse by twisting facts, covering points and conjunctions and creating new pictures by hiding counter points and all of course well packed.

You see the result here in this forum alone too often when so many people are puking like a troll the propaganda they follow against the propaganda of others which they follow.
How often was Putin blamed to be the worst guy by Westerns and how often they puke out the same BS as mainstream media tells in 1.1 ... as well how often do Anti-Western puke out the propaganda BS they follow?
Facts ... pure facts like 1:1 do here not matter ,,, sad!

 

BTW ... I agree that the so called West did much BS .. but I would advise too not to follow the BS propaganda of your side 1.1 to believe the worst BS of them which is not better as what you fight with your words.
Do you really believe that Hezbollah is better as Al Qaida? We have this so long fight between Shiite and Sunni faction in Islam in so many versions and sorts of groups fighting...

And btw ... too ... for me is Saudi Arabia no spark better as Syria under Assad, as is Iran, Qatar, North Korea and others. Democracy is only so far given as what the powers behind will allow as freedom.
Even the democracy in my own country is not full pleasing with the election system we have, so no need to show with the finger on "my democracy" please ...

 

Personally, if I were in their shoes I'd prefer to be blown apart by a bomb than face whatever horrors the psychos of IS might inflict upon me, and that's what would happen if IS isn't exterminated once and for all, and the only ones who will do that are Assad and Putin. This is a war, whether or not we can comprehend it as such, and if IS come knocking on our door one day because they were allowed to proliferate, we'll be victims too. Not so easy is it?