Guns for self-protection cause more harm than good

Yes you have you just willfully ignore it

 

Ever witness a gang fight with guns?

 

This is my original post:
"OR you could say that almost twice as many homicides were committed with a gun than all other methods combined.
ONLY 209 (49%).....now that's funny. Sad, but funny."

So we can put that to rest.

 

Im so glad you are back. Finland is ranked 16th per capita in gun ownership. We are ranked first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Out of the way....moving goal posts here. LOL

 

Thats right about shoplifters....and most crimes
Violent armed attacks are very rare.....and going down, as you said yourself.

 

Are you not aware of the millions of wrong doers in our criminal justice system?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

 

Not now but yes you did.

Some people claim they are saying yes when they simply lie like cowards

 

Second hand smoke factually kills more people every year than all gun deaths combined. Where is your outrage?

 

If we still have 10k people committing murder obviously the number needs to be a little higher.

 

You seem to be confusing topics here. I didn't say anything about violence. In my immediate neighborhood the crime rate is around zero. It's not something I think about. Nonetheless my comments of succeeding are in response to a comment on my signature. I have spent considerable effort to ensure that non-believers have a place and a voice in the United States. Obama recognized us in his inaugural speech and has been accommodating - unlike the Bushes who thought we should be denied citizenship. The attachment of evangelical Christianity to the Republican Party all but guarantees that 22% of the population will be voting for another party.

You see the Democratic Party is open to people of all religions and even to those with no religion. Democratic politicians rarely talk about religion for the primary reason that there is too much diversity to find common ground. It is why the Constitution never mentions a deity - only religion in the abstract.

 

There are literally hundreds of thousands of instances, but just one proves the point. The correlation is causative, and you have said northing to disprove that.

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...it has been dropping like that for decades. It is the lowest it has been sine the mid 1990's. The link provided has the data.

 

Maybe we live in a society that loves violence. All over the television and movie spectrum are shows about cops, crime, terrorist attacks, and such things. Bruce Willis made a career out of gun violence. Clint Eastwood also made a career out of gun violence with many of his romantic scenes being essentially sexual assault or rape. In everyday talk I always hear people talking about kicking @ss. Heck there are still millions of people out there who think that it is okay to hit their children. Seems to me programs encouraging people to be nice to each other would have a more welcome outcome than just throwing more people in prison.

 

Didnt you earlier say that every person in the US should be required to own at least 1 gun and be trained to use it ?

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How about all the talk that these TV shows and violent video games would turn our children into violent monsters yet the opposite is true. Of course Hillary was all for banning them

 

Ironically much of that violence is pushed by the predominately leftist groups in Hollywood. Violence and sex sells.

I agree that we live in a violent society, that's why I own tools to protect my family, and I'm not just talking about guns.

Fact is some day I might be forced to choose between ending someone's life to preserve my life, or the lives of my family.

Hopefully that will never happen, but one of my main responsibilities as a man is protecting my family, and if that day comes I will be prepared and at least have a chance of preventing it.

 

this is a new kind of ignorance...wtf

 

I've never been to Chicago but I kept hearing these stories about poor inner city run down crime ridden neighborhoods.. Yet where I live the the inner city neighborhoods are some of the nicest in the city. The poor crime ridden neighborhoods are out on the edge of town - where the small poorly built houses and trailer parks are - on the edges of the industrial part of town. Every place I have ever lived has had this same pattern.

So I opened up google and started looking around. I discovered that Chicago proper, the core city, has very little poverty or crime as compared to other cities. Where all the poverty and violence occurs is south of Chicago, the industrial side of town and raps around Lake Michigan crossing the border into Indiana and ending in Gary.

Is it any wonder that gun control laws in Illinois aren't very effective when they are practically giving them away in Indiana.

 

I don't have to disprove it because it's not true. You think it's true? Prove it and convince me.

 

Do you own a fire extinguisher?

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What if your luck runs out tomorrow?

 

From what I have been reading lately it seems that most crime is committed by persons that can best be described as belonging to the bottom 15% or so as to intelligence. For the most part these people will never learn to read well or make anything of themselves. Many of them face a life alternating between jail and homeless drug addiction and alcoholism I think a more humane way to deal with them is to create small communities away from town. With due process these low functioning people could be sent to live there. They would be provided services of all kinds and possibly even drugs as most of their criminal behavior involves schemes to finance their drug addictions. They would be free to roam around their little town and socialize and it would save us all from their destructive behavior.

 

Apparently I don't spend any time thinking about such things.

 

I don't either. But I'm prepared if it happens. You're not. That is your choice, and your right.

 

Congratulations. Recognizing your ignorance is the first step to enlightenment. Don't be so hard on yourself.

Now that you're past that, go read the FBI UCR data... They have it for every year.

 

The Kellerman study is badly flawed. Next. What do you expect from a hard core left winger?

 

If you read the methodology of this study it is easy to see that it was geared to automatically have these results.

They studied homicides in the home. What they didn't study was all homes that have guns. Just the ones where there were homicides. And surprise, surprise, they determined that gun ownership is a risk factor. You could use the exact same methodology to prove that owning a car causes more harm than good.

 

I am sure that America is completely unique in the societal indoctrination department. I would say that it takes some sort of coaxing to fear an inanimate object.