Guns for self-protection cause more harm than good

It works for cars to the tune of 30k+ dead in accidents per year with about 270k cars. With over 300 million guns the accidental death toll is less than 500 per year.

 

Why not? The NRA would for once back this because there would be profit in it for them

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Is this another example of "Ooooh! they have cooties" kindergarten talk?

 

Cars are used for TRILLIONS of more man hours a day than guns are. Statistically if they were the same there should be hundreds of thousands of car deaths a year. they are not the same....guns are inherently more dangerous.

 

Linky??? Otherwise I will assume this figure is being pulled out of someone's a........., well, cornflakes packet

 

Funny how the NRA isn't backing it now, with that same profitability at stake. That wasn't my point, however. If the law became you can't buy/own a gun unless you complete training from a state approved instructor, those states like California and New York would minimize the number of available approved instructors in order to reduce the number of legal gun owners.

 

All you need to do is prove that claim.

 

Accidental gun death numbers come from CDC WISQARS database. Your data seems to include all gun deaths, and training would only make murderers and suicides more effective. The aim of mandatory training is to reduce accidental deaths.

 

No training could also weed out murderers

 

Are you now attempting to claim that if an illegal activity can be carried out, that must mean there is no law prohibiting it?

 

Rucker, my fellow Coloradian.........your efforts here are for not, this troll thread needs to die. Please cut it off and start creating a sportsman quorum with the wonderful knowledge that you have. Self defense, Offensive tactics, Ballistics......State laws and so on.

 

Which part? The the NRA isn't backing mandatory training now, or that governments who wish to restrict gun ownership would act slowly to impede that ownership? Regarding the latter, we know that after Heller was handed down the elected government of the District of Columbia repealed the police's chief authority to issue handgun permits. "You can carry a gun with a legal permit, but we don't have anyone authorized to issue handgun permits".

Mandatory training isn't listed in the NRA-ILA position. Voluntary training is.

That's some catch, that Catch-22.

 

Why is an Aussie so interested in US gun laws especially you have absolutely no skin in the game? It must be tough seeking attention thousands of miles away on the net. Loneliness and lack of social skills must be tough.

 

Then explain why the number of traffic fatalities exceeds the number of firearm related homicides. Explain how mandatory training will actually stop someone from deliberately engaging in reckless behavior. Back up your claims with proof of concept, or refrain from presenting them further.

 

How so? Have you looked at B-more and Chicago box scores for homicides? Such a hypocrite talking about dictatorships.

 

That is not elaboration to any extent. You cannot explain how making training mandatory for all firearm owners would do anything. Individuals who disregard basic safety will do so no matter what, regardless of whatever training they are required to take. The only ones who are not going to engage in reckless and dangerous behavior, are those who are not prone to do so in the first place, meaning mandatory training would serve no legitimate purpose.

 

And will the federal government provide unlimited funding if necessary to build as many training facilities and hire as many certified instructors as necessary?

What will the federal government do when states resist and refuse to allow interference with the status quo of their laws?

 

Once again you are making claims devoid of reality. The fact you claim to work in psychological fields gives reason to be concerned for your patients.

Federal states that absolutely no one with a felony conviction may ever possess a firearm for any purpose. Yet the FBI has proven that eighty percent of all murders in the united states are committed by those with preexisting criminal records that would legally bar them from firearms ownership. Regardless of such they are acquiring firearms through illegal channels, and there is nothing that can be done about it. Your suggestion for mandatory training requirements would no more stop them, than they would stop police officers from shooting one another despite their training.

 

Boy it seems to simply terrify you that someone should actually be required to train on a gun before they use it. This is so basic that it is baffling why anyone would fight it. There seems to be this insistence that you have the right to be ignorant about gun safety. It is quite funny

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You would like to eliminate democrats. How very....facist

 

Training does not in any way negate, change, modify, or compensate for human behavior. Reckless individuals ho disregard basic rules of safety will continue to do so, regardless of what they are required to do, thus continuing to put others at risk. There will be no statistically significant drop in the rates of accidental deaths, negligent discharges, or minors killing themselves with unsecured firearms. Nothing of significance will occur, so there is no reason in even considering your nonsensical proposals.

Police departments cannot even insure their officers abide by training that prohibits choke holds. Why should it be believed that private individuals will be any better?

More than thirty years ago, the district of columbia enacted a law that made it illegal to own a handgun unless it was first registered with the city. Sometime after that they ended the registration process, ensuring that absolutely no one after a certain date would be legally able to own a handgun within district territory.

Making training requirements mandatory for firearms ownership gives government the ability to prohibit firearms ownership under all circumstances by simply refusing to fund the training venues, ensuring that no one will be trained, and thus no one will ever own firearms again. It has happened before in the past, is has been documented, do not dare to claim otherwise, or that it will not happen. Come up with something that cannot be abused and exploited by those in charge.

 

Explain how the NRA makes money off of mandated training.

 

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