The October Surprise ... not

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Sandy Shanks, Oct 28, 2016.

  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    LOL! This IS the October surprise. Just by reopening the FBI investigation and being linked to Anthony Weiner is huge damage to the Clinton campaign. You can even hear her poll numbers dropping!
     
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    What is funny under the heading of Oct surprises is the fact that democrats have shot their wad by bringing out all the lying women that have accused Trump of attacking them. Now their clip is empty.

    Now with the fact that Hillary is under FBI criminal investigation AGAIN, Hillary's campaign is kind of like a submarine---aaauuuuga aaaauuuga DIVE DIVE DIVE!!!!!!!
     
  3. Sandy Shanks

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    Is it possible that a disgusting pedophile like Anthony Weiner could cause a Democrat defeat after holding a substantial lead before Friday? If somehow Trump wins the Presidency, will that effect the down ballot? The Democrats were almost assured of winning the Senate prior to Friday. Is it possible the infantile degenerate could cause the Democratic Party the Senate? This is all coming to the forefront because Weiner was caught sexting a 15-year old girl! This was after he was caught multiple times sexting in 2011 and was forced to resign. Unbelievable!

    If all this pans out and if it were a Hollywood script, the producer would toss it because the story is just too unbelievable.

    Equally unbelievable is how an intelligent, good-looking woman like Huma Abedin could chose a repulsive man like Weiner for a husband.
     
  4. Sandy Shanks

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    The fact remains we know no more today about these emails than we knew before Comey opened up this can of worms. Nothing has changed. There is only speculation and hypotheticals. We don't know if there are any emails from Hillary. We don't know if the emails are simply duplicates of the emails in the earlier investigation. We don't know if there is anything damaging to the Hillary campaign. We know nothing about the emails Comey is talking about.

    Pundits theorize there has to be something significant in Weiner's emails. If true, and we don't know that either, being significant doesn't necessarily mean that involves Hillary. We don't know what is pertinent or pertinent to whom.

    To sum up ... there is nothing to summarize.

    It is highly significant that the Hillary campaign wants Comey to open up and explain what he is talking about. Apparently, they feel the emails are harmless to the campaign and they want the voting public to know that. The opposite assertion proves the point. If the campaign thought there was a possibility of damaging evidence, they certainly wouldn't want to hear from Comey before the election.
     
  5. Sandy Shanks

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    The emails on my computer are my emails. They are not the various senders' emails. The emails are from Weiner's computer. No one knows if any of those emails are from Hillary. In fact, nobody knows anything about the emails. Everything about this issue is speculation and theories.
     
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    Hillary could just ask Huma. That aside, however, the beauty of this is that the FBI won't say until perhaps months after the election and now, today, and thanks to the FBI's announcement, Hillary is losing the support of Independents and the College age crowd in vast numbers. Sweet!
     
  7. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    MY GUESS:

    On January 20th of next year, the Chief Justice of the United States will swear in Hillary Clinton as the 45 president of our nation.

    And this supposed "October surprise" will be laughed at.
     
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    The press is reporting today that there are 650,000 emails on the device. With perhaps 10s of thousands being from the private server of Clinton. So, it will take long time to sort through those.

    But at least we now know, if the press is right, that some of these emails are from the private server of Hillary. Will any of those be emails that were bleached? Who knows? But one thing is evident. Abedin did not turn over everything. And yet comey is looking at emails, or will look at them which concern the original investigation. What are the odds that he will find the intent at some point? For most people know Hillary was not as dumb as she let on. Like not knowing what C meant. LOL 30 years in gov't, if not serving as public servant then serving as first lady, a lawyer, a policy wonk, and yet did not know what C stood for?

    If she does not win, she is in deep (*)(*)(*)(*). This election may determine if she beats the system....again, or not.

    But perhaps she is completely innocent, and just lacks judgment. If so, putting her in the oval office would be a disaster. She may be the only president that America cannot afford.
     
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    If you truly don't know who David Corn is, you probably shouldn't be bloviating on a political forum.
     
  10. Frank

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    Not "evident" at all.

    It is entirely possible...and even likely...that Abedin turned over EVERY ONE OF THOSE EMAILS...from her other computer...and did not know that the emails had also arrived on the second computer.

    We do not know...and apparently even Comey and the FBI do not know.
     
  11. Sandy Shanks

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    Independents are mostly conservatives. They are more likely to vote Republican than Democrat. Please explain why Hillary is losing the college age crowd. Do you have any numbers or did you just make that up?
     
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    "David Corn is an American liberal political journalist and author and the chief of the Washington bureau for Mother Jones. Wikipedia" Now I know who David Corn is. Am I okay now?
     
  13. doombug

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    Hillary's campaign is deflating bigtime. The FBI bombshell has sank her ship.
     
  14. Sandy Shanks

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    "But at least we now know, if the press is right, that some of these emails are from the private server of Hillary." Please provide a source for that.

    I am following this very closely. As far as I know, the press is as much in the dark about the contents of the emails as the rest of us. Isn't your statement pure speculation, or you are passing on speculation?
     
  15. Frank

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    We'll see on the night of November 8th.

    I'm feeling confident that Hillary Clinton will be elected president of the United States.
     
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    Seriously, have you given full thought about what a Hillary win would really be like at this point? Beginning of the end. An unpleasant end.
     
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    Emails have a sender and a recipient. If they are investigating Hillary's emails and reopen the investigation, then they are related to Hillary's emails, not hearsay emails involving third parties.
     
  18. Sandy Shanks

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    You wish. Conservative Fox News stated this morning that Trump has to win North Carolina to win the election. He is down by 3 to 6 points in N.C. If he loses N.C., he must win Pennsylvania to make up for that loss. He is down by 4 to 6 points in Penn. If Trump loses Florida, he loses the election. Trump and Hillary are virtually tied in Fla.

    In other words, Trump has no margin for error. Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight has this to say as of the 30th. "Donald Trump continues to make modest gains in the FiveThirtyEight forecast. His chances are 21 percent in our polls-only model and 23 percent in polls-plus, his best position since early this month in each forecast. And Trump has narrowed Hillary Clinton’s popular vote lead to roughly 5 percentage points from 7 points two weeks ago. But there’s not yet much evidence about what impact, if any, FBI director James Comey’s letter to Congress on Friday about Clinton’s personal email server will have on the race. "

    "WASHINGTON, Oct. 31 (UPI) -- UPI/CVoter state poll data released Monday shows Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump improving in all but one battleground state in the past week, though Democrat Hillary Clinton would still easily win the Electoral College if the election were held today. According to the 50-plus-1 state-by-state tracking data, Clinton would win the election handily with 341 electoral votes to Trump's 197. It requires 270 electoral votes to win the presidency."

    As stated, the Comey letter is not the October surprise the Trump camp wanted.
     
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    especially as there is quotes in it... should be sourced

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    I have thought about it....

    If Trump wins it would be disastrous

    if Clinton wins, it's probably four more years of republicans obstructionism

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  20. Sandy Shanks

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    Seriously, have you given full thought about what a Trump win would really be like at this point? Beginning of the end. An unpleasant end.

    Here are some facts conveniently forgotten by Trump fans. Bear in mind Trump has never reversed himself on any of these statements.

    Trump called Mexicans rapists and drug dealers. He insulted the mother of an American hero. A video revealed an astonishing lack of respect for women. He blamed Obama and Hillary for the formation of ISIS. Twice he stated an implied threat of assassination against Hillary.

    According to Time Magazine, "According to an analysis by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, Trump’s plans would contribute $5.3 trillion dollars to the national debt. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s plans, by comparison, would only increase the debt by $200 billion."

    He wants to weaken NATO by not defending members who have not paid their dues. He wants Japan, S. Korea, and Saudi Arabia to have nuclear weapons. He appeared on a Russian propaganda television network and criticized the American Commander-in-Chief. He has praised Putin as a great leader. He has cheered on the Russians for interfering in our elections. Putin wants Trump to be the next President.

    He ripped off his own charity foundation. He hasn't contributed to the Trump Foundation since 2008.

    He has said the American elections are somehow rigged. In front of over 70 million Americans he questioned a 240-year old American democratic tradition, the peaceful transition of power.

    No doubt about it. A narcissistic, arrogant Trump as President would be a disaster.
     
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    If they are investigating Hillary's emails. We don't know if any of the emails on Weiner's computer are from Hillary. There is another element, the Hatch act.

    There has not been any explanation as to why Comey did this. His letter Friday was out of character. None of it makes sense. If he did violate the Hatch Act, and it sure looks like he did, we won’t know that for weeks, possibly months. We won't know anything for weeks, possibly months.

    He may have violated the Hatch Act because there is nothing concrete in what he did. He disclosed nothing about the emails or even if there are any emails from Hillary. He only said they were pertinent. Pertinent to whom? He didn’t arrest anybody. He didn’t call a grand jury. His letter is pure innuendo, leading up to the charge that he menat to interfere in the election, thereby violating the Hatch Act.
     
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    Notifying the Congress that he is reopening an investigation does not violate the Hatch Act. How could he possibly be said to be trying to influence an election when you yourself said that he didn't disclose anything? Keep spinning. I am sure the Talking Point of the Day email for tomorrow will have some new theory. In the mean time, the LA Times poll has Trump's lead growing and it has been a fairly good leading indicator ahead of the other polls. Hillary's plan to run out the clock may have just melted. As a Bernie supporter, I hope they nail her ass to the front door of the FBI. Her election destroys the DNC.
     
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    The Hatch Act accusation is especially interesting, in light of this:

    Seems to me, if he knew that October 7 was too close to the election to say anything about Russian influence, he knew that October 28 was too close to the election to say something about emails- with no warrant. Even if his actions weren't partisan, they sure look partisan.

    Of course, this is an unnamed source, so you have to take that into consideration too. I feel certain more will be coming on this. Leaks are everywhere.
     
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    Man, that's a riot. Let's all hope all Trump fans vote on Nov. 28. Geez, what an idiot.

    Speaking of idiots, that reminds me of something. Fox is going on still another campaign to make the public aware of Bill Clinton’s tryst with A.G. Loretta Lynch on a Phoenix airport tarmac five days before Comey let Hillary off the hook.

    In light of recent events, all that begs a question. With people like Bill and Huma Abedin around, Hillary doesn’t need any enemies.
     

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