It’s All But Official: Donald Trump Won’t Release His Tax Returns

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  1. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't be surprised. At one point, Trump talked about disbanding from NATO. That made Putin's mouth absolutely froth. Putin wants to reform the Soviet Union, and Putin's not stupid, and realizes he would be more likely to accomplish this with Trump in the White House over Clinton.
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    So what do you think has a bearing on a candidates ability to carrynout the duties of a President.
     
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    Toefoot Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You see what you want to see.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look they all seek self-enrichment by one means or another, so why single him out. If both of the front runners for POTUS mitigate their taxes within the law, then we should obviously vote for the one who is more qualified to do the job?
     
  5. Bowerbird

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    What I see is a lot of confirmation bias from the many on thr right

    But I am used to that

    They prefer anonymous blogs to science research on climate change

    They think guns are only owned by good guys because the NRA told them so

    And they think trickle down economics actually makes the average person richer and not increase the poor rich divide

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    Not in most countries because it is about civic duty. If you do not pay your tax due how can you be considered to be doing your civic duty?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL, preferring scientists blogs over a cartoonist blog you prefer makes one a denier eh?
     
  7. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're living in the past, when it was a sense of duty is that drove them into politics. Now it's a case of choosing the lesser rogue of a notional option. Provided Trump was within the law but using loopholes owing to failings in the legislature, then ostensibly he's innocent of any wrongdoing.
     
  8. Bowerbird

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    Difference between legal and moral


    It is not moral to shirk a civic duty it also indicates the person puts self interest ahead of public good
     
  9. Jimmy79

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    odd things like intelligence, decision making, policy stances, etc.
     
  10. Jimmy79

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    We cant legislate morality, just ask the GOP how well that works.

    can you provide any evidence that he hasn't done his civic duty? Its seems to me that in paying all taxes he is obligated to pay that in this context, he has performed his civic duty.
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    He talks about the other countries paying their fair share, dodge noted.

    Try again and focus light the Hubble Telescope this time

    Will it be an issue if you find out he gave a lot to charity and lowered his tax rate, you know like they attacked Romney?
    Or will it be an issue if he only gave a little to charity but paid a higher tax rate?

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    Oh how about being able to guard and protect our national secrets and classified information?

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    And a classic case of that would be the Clinton Foundation would it not?
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    So you are voting for Hillary since Chump certainly cannot claim any of those attributes.

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    Hillary did a much better job of protecting classified information than either the FBI or the Pentagon both of which have been sucessfully hacked. Hillary's server never was so perhaps we should give her a medal for doing what most government agencies have failed to accomplish.
     
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    I am solidly in the none of the above category as none of the last 6 or so presidents have shown those attributes. next week will make 7 in a row.
     
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    The irony of support for NATO based on if he personally determined they paid their fair, when he fails to do so for the nation he want's to be the President of.
    Guess what: When our NATO allies fall, we all fall.
    Guess what: If Russia takes power over our allies in Europe they can isolate the US economy and expand military power to our region of the Atlantic/Gulf Coast
    Guess what: When we allow our Allies to fall, we are opening up the option of a full ground war in the near future

    It would be similar to the the weakening of the 'League of Nation' before WW2 by Hitler and Mussolini when they though they were avoiding war. Aggression is aggression and when you don't respond, aggression eventually land on your doorstep.
     
  15. Bluesguy

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    Hillary ALLOWED people without proper clearance access to classified information and transmitted it over servers without even basic encryption. And tell us how the FBI and the Pentagon and the secure SCI servers hacked, give me a link.

    The FBI director said she and her staff acted with EXTREME CARELESSNESS with regard to classified information. When did Trump?

    Once more focus like a laser and answer the question and stop dodging

    Will it be an issue if you find out he gave a lot to charity and lowered his tax rate, you know like they attacked Romney?
    Or will it be an issue if he only gave a little to charity but paid a higher tax rate?
     
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    It is documented that they do not pay the share of their GDP's they are required to pay.

    These NATO countries are not spending their fair share on defense

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    http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/08/news/nato-summit-spending-countries/
     
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    And what does any of this have to do with the topic of the thread which is Trump refusing to release his tax returns?
     
  18. Bluesguy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balto View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised. At one point, Trump talked about disbanding from NATO.

    Ask him.
     
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    I asked both. None of this has anything to do with the topic of the thread
     
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    Has the IRS accepted his return as final yet?
     
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    I don't know. Do you?
     
  22. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    I know that he spent only $10,000 of his own money to charity in 2009. The rest has been other peoples money. I know, I know, that tends to be a move in real estate, but I think if you're going to give to charity, you should have to give yourself. And that's all he's given to charity himself. The $20,000 he said he would give to one of the candidates charities on The Apprentice prior to delivering that "You're Fired" one liner, wasn't his money, it was actually NBC's.

    So, overall no, he hasn't given a "lot" to charity. And the "Other People's Money" would be a card to play if he were part of the, "Other People."
     
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    We don't know what he has done. He will not release his tax returns. 62% or republicans want to see them
     
  24. Balto

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    What I responded to Bluesguy I got from the Washington Post's in-depth reporting on Trump's charity work.
     
  25. Bowerbird

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    No you can't but you can encourage it with legislation. From the evidence to date he has not done his civic duty
     

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