"FREEDOM:" A Word For Suckers And Fools.

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  1. antiprofit

    antiprofit New Member

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    Only the wealthy have any degree of "freedom" in this country. For the rest, it is a word to sucker the gullible. For example, the wealthy often don't have to pay any taxes if they don't want to. Because our tax laws are written by them. And they can afford the lawyers to wiggle out of paying them. If they pay any taxes at all, it is mostly just for show. In many cases, the wealthy can actually RECEIVE tax payer money.

    Also, do you have the 'freedom" to get married? No. You have to get a marriage license. Do you have the freedom to hunt or fish? In most cases, no. You have to get a hunting or fishing license. Do you have the freedom to drive? No. You have to get a drivers license. Etc. etc. etc.

    But despite all this, what this country NEEDS is far MORE regulations. Not less. For example, I could do without the "freedom" of having our environment destroyed through fracking. I could do without the freedom to have mountain tops blasted and plowed off to get at coal rather than hiring miners. I could do without the freedom of having American jobs sent to overseas wage slaves. Etc. etc. etc.

    So the next time you hear the word "freedom," think about what it really means.
     
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    waltky Well-Known Member

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    "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose
    Nothin', don't mean nothin' hon' if it ain't free, no no
    And, feelin' good was easy, Lord, when he sang the blues
    You know, feelin' good was good enough for me
    Good enough for me and my Bobby McGhee."

    from Me & Bobby McGhee
    by Janis Joplin

    http://www.metrolyrics.com/me-and-bobby-mcgee-lyrics-janis-joplin.html
     
  3. antiprofit

    antiprofit New Member

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    Not quite to the point. But it's a start.
     
  4. Brewskier

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    You have that backwards. The wealthy pay the majority of the Federal tax burden. The poor pay little to nothing, or receive money back.

    So you complain about the regulations concerning marriage, hunting, fishing, and driving, and then call for more regulations?

    More and more, I am starting to love the idea of destroying the environment for profit. It seems like the only way to get revenge against the left for trying to destroy the West with their taxation and immigration policies.
     
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    BS! I have been poor all of my life. And I paid plenty of taxes. Also, choose any year in the last 50 years. Go to your browser and look up for that year, "List of U.S. companies that paid no taxes (In whatever year)" Also, I am always hearing about tax havens that they wealthy set up in other countries. And apart from that, they can always dig a hole in their back yard, put some loot in the hole and bury it. Most of the poor don't even have yards to do that in. And if they did, about all they could put into the hole is their hopes and wishes. Also, I wish that I could upload pictures. I could show you a graph of state tax burdens that would make your eyes bug out.

    Next, I wasn't complaining about marriage, hunting and fishing, driving, etc. I was just pointing out what a joke the word "freedom" was. Next, before you destroy the environment, I suggest you first destroy your house or apartment. See how that works out first, then move on to the environment.
     
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are free to run for office and change those tax codes. What office have you tried to run for?
     
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    The poor are free to make better life choices. I fear in this particular case that won't happen anytime soon.
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Freedom" includes the freedom to become a pathetic failure.
     
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    The land of equal opportunity does not equate to the land of equal results.

    Such nonsense. 1
     
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    Interesting, how does one manage to be
    ? In order for me to achieve that, I'd have had to work double hard in my life! Money is one of the easiest things to make in this country, not making it and still being able to eat, stay dry, warm and cool throughout the year would be quite the balancing act. I mean think about it, broke is pretty hard to do, unless broke means surviving on other peoples money?
     
  11. Kode

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    The word "freedom" has been taken over by the right to achieve a desired effect with no real words or meaning. "Freedom" is a buzzword that tends to make people feel like the speaker must be listened to because, after all, what American wants to oppose freedom?!!!

    But just stop and think and tell me exactly how America is any more free in any important way that most of the developed industrialized world is. How are we really so "special"? If you can't identify meaningful ways in which we are especially "free", then it's a buzzword and nothing more. This is one of the tricks the right uses and depends on to help spin the truth and hook other people who don't think.

    The only real discussion of freedom we should be having is "of what are we free?" Our "freedom from...." is what matters. And then you will find that a number of other countries are more free than we are.
     
  12. LokiGragg

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    That's not the only word that's lost value, "racist", "common sense", "(*)(*)(*)", "cuck", "freedom", "sexist", "truth", none of these words mean anything today.
     
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    And more. ... "fascism", "liberal", . . . .
     
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    Indeed. Nothing more than buzzwords, void of all meaning.
     
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    The left didn't fight to preserve the meaning of some important words, and now we need to fight to regain the true meaning of some. We need to "take it back". This will be equivalent to "taking our country back".
     
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    Total Freedom is Anarchy,
    and the rich guys did reach that status because of freedom allotted that is the freedom to progress through hard work and talents in achieving it, But freedom to enrich oneself through illegal means is always enforced of course because of obvious reasons for it will create anti-social tendencies. I could say freedom is there but it should be regulated.
     
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    though the most famous version of that song was indeed performed by my beloved janis, it was actually written by kris kristofferson.
     
  18. LokiGragg

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    The left was instrumental in making these words meaningless just as much as the right.
     
  19. undertheice

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    the drones and dolts never seem to get it. you are perfectly free to marry whoever you choose. simply look your partner in the eye and say "we are married". what you pay for are all of the associated contracts and the governmental recognition of your union. you are perfectly free to travel wherever you choose. what is registered is your use of a motor vehicle amid millions of other drivers on roads provided by your fellow taxpayers. hunting and fishing are regulated because these are common resources, the property of all the citizens, and must be protected so that they can be equitably divided. fracking and coal mining certainly aren't a freedom that anyone can enjoy. they are two of the most regulated industries in the country and rightfully so, because of the potential damage they can do to the environment which is another common resource of the people.

    as for outsourcing, would you force a man to engage in business? this is precisely what it seems you are asking for. if a man is to be considered free to close his business, it would seem the only alternative to outsourcing is to simply end the business entirely. what y'all don't get is that there is a reason that outsourcing becomes necessary and it is, more often than not, the very regulation you believe we don't have enough of.
     
  20. Oh Yeah

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    Here are some of the Freedoms I have lost under the progressives.

    1. The right to freely express in words what I truly feel about certain groups of people.

    2. The freedom to complement the opposite sex without fear of being accused of sexism.

    3. The freedom to voice my political persuasion at work without fear of being fired.

    4. The freedom to sit on my own property and have a beer without a police car pulling up and give me a ticket, or even worse, arrest me for drinking in public.

    5. The freedom to fly the American flag, or any flag for that matter, on my front lawn as it might offend the association.

    6. The freedom to express any views in college that would be contrary to the liberal views of the professor.

    7. The freedom to raise my children without fear of the state stepping in and dictating to me how I may do so.

    8. The freedom to protect my family and home, at any cost, without the worry that the perpetrator may have more rights than I.

    9. The freedom to wear on my person any ornament or lapel pin that may express my religious preference; least it offend some group.

    10. The freedom to boast or brag about how great my race is but have to endure listening to how your race matters.
     
  21. Steady Pie

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    You are more free than most of the world in that you have some very rigidly interpreted rights. The first amendment is the only thing standing between you and oppressive hate speech laws. We have no bill of rights, we are routinely searched without cause, our freedom of speech is abridged, everything is at the pleasure of the government.

    Really it's all about the spirit of freedom in the populace. America has a lot of that, whereas most other nations take a utilitarian perspective on law and order.
     
  22. a better world

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    Quote:<<The word "freedom" has been taken over by the right to achieve a desired effect with no real words or meaning. "Freedom" is a buzzword that tends to make people feel like the speaker must be listened to because, after all, what American wants to oppose freedom?!!!>>

    Quite so.

    Another gem of conservative thought is identification of government with tyranny, when in fact it's only by rule of law (ie, government) we can have any semblence of well-ordered relations between (naturally self-interested)individuals.

    The same principles ought to apply to administration of *international* law. [BTW, the UNSC veto is in fact as absurd as veto wielding justices in a national supreme court].

    For example, objections to abolition of the UNSC *veto* variously include cries of "tyranny", implying that nations can only be free through war.

    Such a formulation is dangerously obsolete and potentially catastrophic in this increasingly globalised world in the nuclear age. The advance of technology makes it increasingly possible to create the institutions required to administer well-ordered relations between nations

    And what of the "freedom" of all those individuals that have been slaughtered in wars since the creation of the UN - slaughter that could have been markedly reduced if a functional UNSC had been agreed by the founding delegates?

    Of course such agreement was made impossible by the self-interest of the great powers; and thus now they are confronted daily by their own impotence to achieve even basic levels of decency and humanity in the world.

    So much for "freedom".
     
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    Very true. History relates the struggles and sacrifices . . . the high price our founding fathers paid to buy our freedom and the subsequent loss of patriot's lives given to preserve it. . . But how easily it is lost when citizens succumb to empty promises of financial gains.

    It is the nature of freedom to be defensive rather than aggressive, and our legal system has left us confused regarding the interpretation of the boundaries of individual freedom. Therefore, we are not prone to respond to threats against it until they become full-scale attacks due to our impaired ability to properly assess potentially volatile situations. Our unsuspecting society often finds itself unwittingly maneuvered into a corner by rich and powerful sources attempting to manipulate government by sowing dissatisfaction and promoting division among us. Once divided and fighting amongst ourselves, our division leaves us powerless to defend our freedom, and our government, without our united support, is helpless to resist the advances of those who would take advantage of that division in order to exploit us. Regardless of how perfect any plan may be, its success depends on the united commitment and organized cooperation of those involved to make it work.

    But don't give up. Hope may be diminished, but never extinguished.
     
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    Silliness on steroids companies are not individuals. By the way they don't pay taxes they collect them.
     
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    Rule of law does not require a massive federal bureaucracy and in fact such is the very antithesis of rule of law. And given that the public has no imput at all in those huge numbers of regulations we operate uner it isn't rule of law any more than the old Droit du senor practiced in much of medievel Europe.
     

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