Are Liberals really liberal any more?

Yep, Trump is doing nothing to "heal" the nation and bring people together. I don't think he's even capable of doing this.

 

Of course. Excuse their behavior. Typical.

Of course you meant to say that as a whole. /sarcasm

I don't think you understand conservatism. Or maybe you're using that "charter schooling", again. This country, historically, has been conservative. Latest polls show that nearly 40% of all Americans self identify as Conservatives. To use your example, a women's right to vote, was not a "liberal vs con" thing. It was a Constitutional thing. Con's, overwhelmingly agree that the Constitution is the rule of the land. Liberals don't. The majority on the right don't care about gay marriage. What they care about is the fact that the Federal Gov. has gotten involved. The Feds overstepped their boundaries and Con's don't like that. However, liberals, through brainwashing and their slavery tactics, have convinced their constituents that Con's want to "take their rights away". When in reality, Con's want all people afforded the rights given to them by their God and the Constitution. Libs (in particular recent libs), conversely, want to take those rights away.


Your attempts at changing the definitions of right and left won't work with me. Nazi's, Fascists, et al are all left on the political spectrum.

 

One supposes that this is premised on the idea that what you mean by "healing" the nation is agreeing to the liberal communities demands of him? Why on earth is it his obligation to placate the crazy bunch? Healing has to be desired, and clearly the crazy bunch aren't interested in healing any time soon. It seems wholly disingenuous then to criticize his ability to fix an unfixable wart.

 

This post is why the left lost and lost "bigly".

America is really tired of this hyperbolic crap.

 

You have to view Trump from their perspective. He's a rude jerk who supports and is actively implementing radical policy changes that these people strongly oppose, and they worry about the kind of extremist support that Trump enjoys for this also.

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But he's right - the right wing supporting Trump are out of touch with reality, fantasy based and conspiracy theory driven, and Trump has spoken in support of committing war crimes (killing families of terrorists).

 

They're Marxists and Anarchists now, mostly.

 

Apparently that is because you have no clue as to what fascism actually is.

Republicans have tried to do that with the help of the far right. An example would be their long efforts to redefine "liberal" and "fascist" with no consideration for historical facts. And those facts are that Mussolini was the originator of fascism and he said it was a right wing phenomenon best described as "corporatism". And that blows your propaganda all to hell.

 

No, I don't think we have to view them in any other light than to watch the histrionics that the crazy bunch are out there demonstrating for the rest of us to watch.. Hope is that we learn something from their efforts, namely, what not to do. You do realize that when the last administration came to power, those disaffected by him and his administration didn't resort to temper tantrums. They were content to work within the system. Obviously, that's way too much effort for the crazy bunch, and we see it everywhere. So, when you suggest that they're "afraid", I don't buy that. I'd say they are simply intolerant. They demonstrate the very thing they suggest they are protesting against. It's tawdry.

 

I love how much the left projects.

The fact that you believe Mussolini to be the originator of Fascism tells me how ignorant about this subject you really are.

And your attempts to define Fascism and proclaim I don't know what Fascism is makes me laugh.

 

Well then enlighten me... who came before Mussolini proclaiming "fascism"? Go ahead. I'll wait.............

 

Mainstream America has emerged in response to a left wing that has been out of control, out of touch with reality, fantasy based, conspiracy theory driven, and attempted to coronate a woman who committed treason and graft while in a government capacity and wants war with Russia.

Fixed it for you, and the people have spoken.

 

I'm not your teacher, nor do I have the time to educate you on something like Fascism. You have a computer and Internet access, research it yourself.

I will, because I'm kind, point you in the right direction.

First, you need to go back way further than Mussolini. Try around 600 B.C. There you will find the first "fascist" inspirations. If you're lazy and want something a little more recent, read about Gabriele D'Annunzio.

Now, run a long...

 

No liberal has sunk low enough to believe nationalism is healthy for the country, what Trump ran on, and nationalism is a by-product of fascism.....

I am a proud progressive who believes the party of Kennedy and Clinton is dead, and that the Constitution needs some rewrites. When you have sewer rats like Steve Bannon and Neil Gorsuch, hell is bound to be unleashed.

 

No. Progressives took over the term. Liberals now call themselves libertarians.

 

Liberalism, in the classical sense, is an ideology that values the freedom of individuals - including the freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and markets - as well as limited government. Now it is actually Conservatives and Libertarians who embody the principle of classical liberalism to advocate minimal government and all those freedoms right-thinking Americans should value. Modern liberals actually believe in the exact opposite -- MORE government and LESS real personal freedom!

Liberals used to at least have some semblance of common sense about them. There is nothing wrong with wanting to advance beyond a stagnant mindset of rejecting any and all change - but there's a limit beyond which we, as a Nation, should NEVER allow ourselves to proceed.

Free-thinking liberals were actually responsible for many of the advancements in our world that we now enjoy as "commonplace". Imagine how many more truly good things could have been accomplished in the 50+ years since the concept of free-thinking liberalism was hijacked by the rabid loons who now infest the Democratic Party and have tainted an otherwise noble platform with their oppressive, politically-charged social engineering tactics.

The original concept of "liberalism" involved freedom of thought that sought to change stagnant paradigms held in place by selfishness, avarice, and greed. Instead, modern liberalism now encompasses and embraces cloaked concepts like "social justice", "income inequality", and "a level playing field" - which are simply kinder, more genteel terms for outright social engineering and are, in truth, class warfare-based thought control.

Had all those free-thinkers not allowed their platform to be taken over by absolute radicals whose goals now promote tyranny in the name of forcing some warped vision of guaranteed "equality", their accomplishments wouldn't now be overshadowed by the regressive reality we now must resist in order to protect actual personal freedom.

Not everyone in this country wants to live their life in a state of dependence on the collective. That includes many mainstream democrats!

We see modern "progressive" liberalism playing out in Europe - and those of us with the ability to actually learn lessons from history see what the 21st century liberal ideology leads to. We do not accept that as our eventual fate - therefore we fight it with our most powerful weapon we have: our vote.

Thankfully, our Founding Fathers also had the ability and wisdom to actually learn from history and gave us the Electoral College so we have a mechanism to defeat the collectivists' "popular vote" folly of willing fools voting for charlatans who exploit the uninformed lemmings by promising them that "social justice" in exchange for their votes and unquestioning acquiescence.

If modern so-called "liberals" can manage to see outside the bubble in which they live, they will realize that this election was a referendum against that oppression they foolishly allowed to infiltrate their platform -- and they will right their course and center themselves with common sense!

I doubt they will, however. Far too many of them still cling to that ridiculous notion that a "popular vote" system is a more practical and effective way of advancing our society.

The exact opposite is true, as all level-headed Americans should have the ability to realize. "Majority rule" is actually "mob rule" -- and the first step down the dangerous road of pure democracy is enacting a purely “popular vote” system of electing our president. After that, it would “progress” (actually “regress”) into purely democratic processes for public policy, laws, economic/trade policy, etc.

Once that happens - it's all over. You cannot have 325+ million people trying to make those kinds of decisions. It won't work...not even in the deepest LSD-induced hallucination. No way....

So many liberals truly believe that the majority of U.S. citizens can make educated, informed decisions. How anyone can actually believe that is simply beyond me. Look at the average American voter! Their level of comprehension of our government's functions alone show that they are completely incompetent to make informed decisions about our country's future.

Incompetent people are inherently unable to judge the competence of other people or the quality of their ideas. That’s why they are “incompetent”! Doesn’t that make sense?

Our uninformed masses simply lack either the mental tools or the motivation needed for them to actually educate themselves on important issues and make meaningful judgments.

Modern liberals want THOSE people to make decisions - with no intermediary system as a failsafe - that affect not only our people, but the rest of the world.

That alone should tell us all that - at least within the Democratic party - real free-thinking liberalism is DEAD!

 

This hurts for me, an actual Fascist lol. It's not that I want to force people to think the way I do(or for that matter, most political train of thoughts.). I want to organize the Nation-State in proper order so as to be working properly. That is all. Government is an engine, and that engine must work no matter what. In an organized society, it works best.

 

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That's what everybody wants to do.

The only recent time I've seen people interested in America NOT working properly came when Republican leaders in the House and Senate declared their primary mission was the failure of the president.

How about we start your enterprise by insisting that our major institutions start doing what they were designed to do?

 

That would be nice. And that would be with a fair confirmation hearing for Gorsuch, who all things considered is a very fair judge. I think he'll be closer to Kennedy than Scalia, as Gorsuch seems to take the "where the law takes me" approach, as opposed to "finding what I want to find". Some may not like that, some may want to fiddle around with the judiciary. But I'm of the opinion that if the judiciary is to exist at all, it must exist neutrally.

 

Could not agree more time for him to retire.

 

Unsupportable nonsense.

Feel free to amend it to your liking. Until then you're stuck with it.

 

If you pay attention to the news at all todays liberals are actually radical leftwing socialist. Thanks to them we were saved from a Clinton admin.

 

It sounds like you need an elementary education in regards to definitions.

 

Lol...Your delusions are not valid questions.
Your thread seems more like flamebait than a serious attempt at intelligent discussion.

 

Well considering that he doesn't even address the question in his post....

 

The Democratic Party has been replaced with a Global Corporate Fascist Party.