Trump makes false statement about U.S. murder rate to sheriffs’ group

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  1. Think for myself

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    Shocker! Trump told a whopper that he has told before, that has been debunked before.

    Indeed, Trump once again falsely claimed that the murder rate is the highest it has been in 40 years, and once again the man is not correct.

    I do have to wonder if Trump's ignorance on these topics is willful or simply is. Certainly no one can be that perpetually inaccurate on accident.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ate-to-sheriffs-group/?utm_term=.fdba210ed562

    President Trump met Tuesday morning with a group of sheriffs from the National Sheriffs Association, a group that consists of more than 3,000 sheriffs from around the country. And to this sworn group of law enforcement veterans, with reporters taking notes, he again repeated a falsehood about the murder rate in America.

    Trump told the sheriffs, “the murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 47 years.” He blamed the news media for not publicizing this development, then added, “But the murder rate is the highest it’s been in, I guess, 45 to 47 years.”

    The country’s murder rate is not the highest it’s been in 47 years. It is almost at its lowest point, actually, according to the FBI, which gathers statistics every year from police departments around the country.
     
  2. RP12

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    Breaking news.. Trump made a mistake!!!
    Impeach him!!! Crown Hilary... FORWARD!
     
  3. Steve N

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    Ok, so what murder rate is acceptable to you?
     
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    It depends on where you live. If you are black, I bet the statistic for your neighborhoods is true. Look at Chicago. More shootings last year than US serviceman deaths in 10 years of war in Afghanistan. But let's ignore blacks because we want to tell the story that Trump and all the people who voted for him are stupid.

    P.S. I love this site. Real numbers about real life in black America / Chicago. Enough to make anyone remove their lips from Obama's...
    http://heyjackass.com/
     
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    No doubt it's one of those per capita deals. Yes, more people are being murdered than ever, but the population increase makes the rate lower.
     
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    Shocker! ...liberals don't want to talk about murder.

    Now why on earth could that be ...?
     
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    That's not a mistake. It's either total ignorance or an outright lie. He needs to resign for incompetence today.
     
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    President Pence has a nice ring to it.
     
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    Nope, the total number of murders is down below 1990s levels.
    http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

    In 2015, we had 15,596 murders. In 1991, we had 24,700



    Murder rate in 2014 was the lowest in 51 years. wasn't much higher in 2015, bumped up a little in 2016.
    https://mises.org/blog/fbi-us-homicide-rate-51-year-low

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    I agree.
     
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    Our murder rate is at fairly low levels. It's less than half of what it was in the 1990s.
     
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    Something is wrong here. Before the election I heard constantly from lefties that gun violence had reached an all time high in recent years and everyone should register or turn in their firearms to make our country safer.
    Who is correct?
    President Trump, and I should turn in my guns, or a hysterical leftie that just informed me the murder rate is at a all time low and is OK to go out and buy a full auto M4.
     
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    But it's dropping outside of the cities, obviously. Also, 2016 rates aren't out yet.

    Here is what the FBI says about the country as a whole:
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-1

    The murder rate nationwide went up a little in 2015 (from 4.4 per 100,000 people to 4.9 per 100,000 people). This is still much lower than it was in the 1980s and 1990s. It's less than half the rate in 1991. Nowhere near the highest in 40 years. Trump is either totally ignorant or lying through his teeth. Either case is unacceptable for the POTUS.

    http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

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    As a righty, I've been saying that our murder rate is fairly low historically speaking, and I said it during the Obama admin (and even the Bush admin). Crime isn't out of control in this country like it was in the 1990s.
     
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    We know they rose sharply in Chicago in 2016. :)
     
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    Chicago has less than 1% of the population of the U.S.(roughly 3 million out of 320 million) Yes, it caused the overall stats to go up a little, but our murder rate is still low historically speaking.

    Chicago had more murders in the 1990s as well.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

    In 2015, it had 762 murders, which was a big increase over the 492 they had in 2014 (can we say Rahm Emmanuel's fault?) In 1992 it had 943 murders.
     
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    People need to realize that Trump is basically truthless. He says whatever he wants to. He is different from all other politicians. The truth literally means nothing to him. And that's a big problem.
     
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    nothing new from the new Alternative Facts Administration
     
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    His incompetence makes him look like a graceful ballet dancer compared to the sociopath the dems tried to elect. Take Libya for example. She just had to destroy one of the most civilized states in that part of the world, turning it into a haven for radicals. Yet trump gets some dead stats wrong and he isn't fit? You guys have lost your minds. Hate can do that. It can literally eat up brains. Soon you guys will be slobbering on yourself as you drag one leg when you walk. The ability to be coherent is already being affected.

    When people have to put trump under a microscope, and be consumed with finding something he said that is wrong, like stats, next stop is some mental institution. You are destroying your health, physically and mentally. But hey, if that is what floats your boat don't let us stop you. But instead of picking someone like Hillary, next time you guys will be running a chimp and then go crazy again when it loses.
     
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    I said in my first post regarding the issue that it's a numbers game, a math trick. More murders with population increases reduces the murder rate.

    But more murders is more murders. No?
     
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    How does Donald Trump differ from other politicians when it comes to matters of truth? Politics involve a great deal of deception and trickery on the part of everyone involved. There are no people, only pawns to be used in what is little more than a game of chess. Lives are nothing more than commodities, and hold no value to anyone unless they benefit someone else in some way. A group of private individuals quite literally has no more worth to politicians than a pack of batteries does to anyone else.
     
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    I do not think that Trump made a mistake but believe that the Tool purposely gave a high number. Face it people the Tool is a liar.
     
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    Trump needs to read from Index Cards, like he has with some of his statements, such as the Navy Seal that was killed in the line of duty. That way, he is reading what somebody else said. Since he can't be presidential, at least he will then appear to be.
     
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    We need an Outrage Gauge. We can't go full on retard over the smallest issues, or our outrage will be diluted when something Trump does really hurts our feelings.
     
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    Now, now be fair and give him the same chance that was given to Obama. Let's wait and see if he responds like Obama -- once touted by the Left as a Great Communicator of a president and automatically the smarted guy in any room -- and see if he also says nothing but, "Uh-Uh-Uh--Uh-Uh--Uh-Uh--Uh-Uh--Uh-Uh--Uh-Uh--Uh-Uh--Uh-Uh-" the first and then EVERY TIME his teleprompter cuts out on him.
     

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