Wake Up California!

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  1. KathyS

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    Opinion piece from the WT-

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/10/california-rebukes-donald-trump-orders-wants-100b-/

    California’s Attorney General Xavier Becerra has a message for the Trump administration: “We have a right to say to the federal government: Hands off,” he told the Los Angeles Times.

    The same day, the paper had a story titled: “California submits a $100 billion wish list of infrastructure projects to Trump for federal funding.”

    I’m sorry, but California, you can’t have it both ways. If you want federal government dollars, you’re going to need to follow federal law.

    California has been in the Trump administration’s cross-hairs, battling him over immigration policies, with many of its largest cities vowing to fight his sanctuary city executive order. Last month, San Francisco became the first city in the nation to file a lawsuit against the order and the state itself has threatened to become a sanctuary state.

    “We’re trying to keep the federal government away from depriving people of their rights,” Mr. Becerra explained, even those of noncitizens. “We will stand up and defend the people of the state of California from any intrusion that is unconstitutional by the federal government.

    So if the federal government would like to tell us how to perform our public safety requirements, we’ll tell them, thanks but that’s up to us. If they want to tell us how we should go about providing for the general welfare for the people of California, we’ll tell them, thanks for the advice but that’s up to us,” Mr. Becerra said in the interview published Wednesday.

    Yet, Mr. Trump isn’t backing down.

    In an interview with Fox News this week, he said he’s prepared to cut off California’s federal funding if it votes to become a sanctuary state.

    “If we have to, we’ll defund,” Mr. Trump said. “We give tremendous amounts of money to California.”

    He added: “I don’t want to defund anybody. I want to give them the money they need to properly operate as a city or a state. If they’re going to have sanctuary cities, we may have to do that. Certainly that would be a weapon.”

    Although personal-finance Wallet Hub ranks California as one of the least dependent states in the nation on federal funding (ranked 46th last year) the University of California receives at least $9 billion in an assortment of federal taxpayer dollars, as well as infrastructure projects.

    According to the Los Angeles Times, the state is facing a $136 billion backlog of necessary highway and local road repairs. In its letter to the Trump administration, California proposed 51 projects it would like federal help to pay for, which includes its fanciful high-speed rail to practical bridge repairs.

    “State Transportation Agency Secretary Brian Kelly told reporters he plans to meet soon with new federal Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao to discuss the wish list,” the Times reported.

    Asked about potential tension between the state and Mr. Trump, Mr. Kelly shrugged it off, telling the Times the state has had a “very functional and good relationship with federal officials” and that “We expect that to continue and we are going to work hard towards making that continue.”

    Perhaps, enforcing federal law is a good place to start.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They want to be a "sanctuary state" and also get billions ($$$) in federal aid.

    On what planet does that happen?
     
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    Typical liberal state. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

    But wait! They have all those rich hollywood types! You know, the ones that tell the middle class on tv to give money to the poor as they drive away in their Ferrari! That's where California can get their 100 Billion from!
     
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    Hilarious, especially considering what Californians pay into the federal coffers.

    Only in the sheer petty world Trump has created would infrastructure be conflated with immigration out of political vindictiveness.
     
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    wake up! get stoned. go back to sleep. vote leave the union.
    hope that California gets to control its own moral destiny a.s.a.p.
     
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    Remember when Obama threatened an entire states education funding because one school didn't want one male student using the girls bathroom?

    Not a single liberal stood up and said "whoa Obama, that's not right".

    But now you're all up on Trump's ass because he expects California to follow federal law.

    Since when do states get to decide what federal laws they want to follow?

    Are you saying can decide now to follow laws ...such as ...gay marriage laws?

    Oh damn, liberal hypocrisy exposed.

    Screw it, lets cripple California and while we're at it we can help the northerners gain statehood separate from the radicals in the south.
     
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    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No. I don't remember that.


    So I the sorry excuse once again going to be to justify Trump's shifty behavior by pointing out behavior that Obama allegedly engaged in that was perceived to be reprehensible?
     
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    Don't remember it ...never knew about it in the first place /cough informed ...or just denying it happened because its as indefensible now as it was then?

    And what "shifty behavior" do you see Trump exhibiting?

    Expecting California to follow federal law?

    Ok, lets make a deal me and you - we can end this entire issue right now and save the nation billions and countless hours in work.

    California doesn't have to follow deportation laws.

    And in return no other State has to preform gay marriage or acknowledge gay marriages preformed in others states.

    BAM, dude ...we just solved this problem in like 3 minutes.

    What should we tackle next?
     
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    wake up little feminist in cally :laughing: [video=youtube;v1fImXAeS-s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1fImXAeS-s[/video]
     
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    I have no idea what any of this has to do with me or the thread topic.
     
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    state has had a “very functional and good relationship with federal officials” and that “We expect that to continue and we are going to work hard towards making that continue.”

    I'll expain this in plain English hombre. Good luck with the above.:roflol:
     
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    Wait... I did that in the 70's and it worked. What's your point???:wink:
     
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    Uh, well why would you?

    It doesn't have anything to do with you other than the fact that this is a discussion forum and I'm discussing the matter with you.

    Ohh wait, I see what you're doing - playing a game of "bait a rule violation" like many posters have warned me about.

    Yea nice try, I'll pass on that.

    But no, outside of the scope of you posting on a forum and me being able to freely comment upon what you said, which is what I did, this has nothing to do with you.

    So given that the topic at hand is Trump vs California re the following of federal laws and the consequences of withholding federal funding, what do you use to justify your position that Trump's behavior is "shifty"?

    I mean ...states have to follow federal laws do they not?

    I mean ...a state couldn't ignore the gay marriage laws could they?

    And if the established (utilized by Obama even) response from the federal government is to withhold federal money when a state ignores a federal law then why should this not occur here with California?
     
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    The post of the year so far. Thank you sir . Well said ...
     
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    Do you remember California cutting off all business with Arizona over their immigration policy?
     
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    My thought exactly.

    California is completely wacked. And I have to live here -- at least for the time being. Too sad...

    No, only in the sheer petty world that the left has created would it be ok to insist on cherry picking which federal laws must be followed and which federal laws must not be followed. That is sheer stupidity at its finest.

    I am still trying to figure out the legal basis for California feeling justified in doing what it's doing. Perhaps the new Attorney General will set Californians straight.

    Outstanding post! Do we want to let all states pick and choose the federal laws they follow, or just the blue states? Double standards are a bit difficult to justify, at least in my world.
     
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    The sad part is that CA has a lot of decent sane people who are forced to live with snowflakes. Some can't leave, they are tied to agriculture and they just aren't passing out 40 acres and a mule anywhere these days. Perhaps CA should redraw it's district lines, apportion the state to split it's electoral votes, as well as redraw house of representative boundaries. However that still doesn't solve the issue regarding lunacy of state government.
     
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    Thanks for the insightful post. I am one of those of which you speak. :wink:

    It's not that bad if you choose where you live carefully. If you go outside the concentrated urban population cesspools of San Francisco and Los Angeles, for the most part you'll mostly find sane and sensible people. They value work and family, and just want to be left alone to conduct their lives without ideological government interference. Unfortunately, none of the remedies you mentioned will ever be considered, much less implemented. Still, life can be lived well here. You just have to careful where you do it.
     
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