Trump again calls media 'enemy of the people'

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  1. daisydotell

    daisydotell Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you speaking of the bashing of Trump before and during the election?
     
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    The media is corrupt, but the nonsense that is the notion of the liberal media really needs to die. Is the media biased? Of course. It just isn't biased in the way you think. They gave Trump hundreds of hours of free advertising. You know why? He is absurd, childish, interesting, petty, mean, funny, charismatic, bigoted, simplistic, etc.... which is all to say he makes for compelling TV, which makes the media lots of money. That is what unsophisticated thinkers always fail to remember, the media is a for profit business. They don't have any institutional political ideology. Their bias is towards sensationalism, because it makes them money. Their bias is towards simplistic narratives, because those are easier to sell. They also have a bias against things that will lose them AND their corporate advertisers (their real customers) money. Do individual journalists have biases? Undoubtedly they do, no one should deny it. However, the idea that there is an institutional bias that extends beyond pro-profit bias, is nonsense.

    Next up, the media are actually doing an acceptable job for the first time in a very long time. They are doing an acceptable job, because they are attacking Trump!! That is what all media should do all the time. Hold the powerful to account. That is good journalism. There shouldn't be media that is pro-Democratic party, that makes excuses for the Democratic party, and pro-Republican media that does the opposite. All media should do the same thing. They should hold the powerful to account. However, in our neoliberal age, where everything is marketized and for profit, media is sold to the highest bidder. No wonder media outlets owned by powerful interests have no incentive to hold powerful interests to account.
     
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  3. daisydotell

    daisydotell Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Believe it or not the US Constitution will start working again, freedom of the press does exist and the press doesn't go to jail if they disagree. They can even lie with impunity, and that is called baiting the hook with stupid, if you want to believe all that is in the media.
     
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    He will not succeed because unlike the Party of Treason we actually support the Constitution:

    “Let me state very clearly that the United States has absolutely nothing to do with this video. We absolutely reject its contents.” (Clinton) http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...-pakistan-ad-denouncing-anti-muslim-film?lite

    “‘We’re going to have that person arrested and prosecuted that did the video,’ said Hillary Clinton.”
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/331806/incredible-shrinking-president-mark-steyn

    “If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or”
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241

    "’[T]he fact that society may find speech offensive is not a sufficient reason for suppressing it. Indeed, if it is the speaker's opinion that gives offense, that consequence is a reason for according it constitutional protection. [485 U.S. 46, 56] For it is a central tenet of the First Amendment that the government must remain neutral in the marketplace of ideas.’ Id., at 745-746.” http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=485&invol=46
     
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  5. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well---------------------the MSM misled the people in the last election with all their false lying polls, and fake news. If anyone should be down on the MSM it should be Hillary and the democrats!!!!!
     
  6. Dale Cooper

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    Here's an ignorant CNN twit bellyaching about being left out of the gaggle because they're less favorable.

    Well, hello! you stupid waste of air! It's not your job to be favorable or unfavorable. It's your damned job to report facts and let people make up their own minds. Where are they finding these brainless morons that they aren't being taught that in journalism class?

    Yo, CNN: We don't want your opinion. We don't want your editing. We don't want your snippets. We don't want your snark. We don't want YOU! And neither does Trump. Deal with it!!!

    [video=youtube;GKsdPSDexmc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKsdPSDexmc&feature=youtu.be[/video]
     
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    Yup...and there were Germans in the 1930's who felt that same way about Hitler's edicts.

    The stupidity of some Trump supporters defies rationalization.

    Here's hoping we get through this point of idiocy in our national progression.
     
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    Democratic process doesn't work without a free press and a literate citizenry.
     
  9. Dale Cooper

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    Honey...just because YOU have to be told what to think doesn't mean all of us do. Can you not just simply watch a COMPLETE, unedited video and decide for yourself without having a moronic media slut interpret it for you?

    How sad that must be..


    And just so you know...when someone brings up Hitler, they immediately go to my ignore list.
     
  10. Frank

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    Oh, the humanity! I am on your "ignore list!"

    How will I ever live with that thought?

    I guess I will have to console myself knowing that you are not ignoring me...but are reading these words right now!
    :wink:
     
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    Here's a video for some of you Trump supporters to view. After viewing it, perhaps you might consider the picture beneath it...of Berlin after WWII.

    [video=youtube;hZWn0zL0LHc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZWn0zL0LHc[/video]




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  12. Oh Yeah

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    Before Trump even won the election I cancelled my newspaper subscription of over 30 years because I couldn't stand the liberal bias anymore. It wasn't always about the story or conceived scandal of the day but many times the omission of a story or counter view. Besides, I now have more money to spend on things I enjoy. I don't miss it at all.
     
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    Those counties that Trump won had unanimous voting for him?

    - - - Updated - - -

    "Free advertising" is what Trump supporters say the media did for Trump.
     
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    Argg I know, and I like to use the "translated" thing too once in a blue moon but something just felt off here.

    Like a bad joke told with worse timing.
     
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    Fake News. Trump said Fake Media is the enemy, and they are. They have every right publish lies, we have every right to call them liars when they do.

    It's just amazing how much folks are getting busted for being complete liars and fakes these days.

    REAL INDIAN To Take on Fake Indian Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts Senate Race

    Fake Indian Elizabeth Warren and Indian-American V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai Boston-based entrepreneur and inventor of V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai announced his run.

    [​IMG]

    The Press thinks we have no right to hold them accountable for their lies?

    Ridiculous!
     
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    Rejecting contents of a video is a far cry from declaring the media an "enemy of the people" but get back to me with some more rubbish when the media is being incarcerated for daring to stand up to the Orange Groper
     
  17. peoshi

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    No one said that, but that is less than 1 in 5 counties voting for you...that is not a significant portion comparatively regardless of how you want to word it, and this is over the entire country.

    Hillary won the popular vote by taking california alone, regardless of any other states she won.

    Her margin of victory in the popular vote over the entire country was a little less than 3 million, she won California alone by over 4.2 million!

    That's why the popular vote argument in this election is useless, the president is elected to represent the entire country, not just 1 or 2 states!
     
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    Here's the tweet.

    Funny how they always leave off the FAKE NEWS part. I have to judge the OP as just more fake news from the left.
     
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    Sounds like an excellent fictional fantasy story for the limited information folks...Probably sell real well to the snowflake crowd. You should write it. On second thought, they'd probably mistake it for reality....Just like SOME people mistake fake news for reality. You do know that our 1st amendment (freedom of speech) does not guarantee truth in the news media. It does, however, guarantee the right of another to call out blatant lies and fake news.
     
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    There seems to be this misunderstanding that Trump calls the media an enemy because he feels they mis-respresent him or hurt his pride.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Trump doesn't have a beef with the free press in that he feels they write him of.
    He has a beef with that little annoying thing called democracy. (You know, that thing about free speech and rule of law.)
    If obstructs Trump in achieving totalitarian power.
    So, free speech and rule of law must therefore be considered, according to Trump, the enemy of the people.

    It will never, ever matter what any media writes or any judiciary decides. Trump will make up his own truths, if deemed suitable for him.

    He'll even claim the sun is shining when it's not.

    Psychopath supreme.
     
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    The irony is that the reality tv performer owes the media for all the free coverage they accorded his campaign antics. Without them, he'd still be a shlock tv impresario with a pile of crappy Trump® U diplomas.

    The Enemy Of The People

    Dictators, inevitably, are very pissy about a free press. What a surprise!

    Contemporary as well as historical autocracies are identified by a common trait: Suppression of a press that does serve as a subservient ministry of propaganda for the autocrat and his regime.

    Facts are formidable, and, if any news outlet fakes them, their competitors are quick to set the record straight. A free press operates on such an inherent system of checks and balances. Being right whilst showing others to be wrong is conducive to financial success.

    Trump’s Goebbels, Stephen K Bannon, rages. ”They’re corporatist, globalist media that are adamantly opposed to an economic nationalist agenda like Donald Trump has!”

    Yes, media corporations are independent, capitalistic entities that pursue profit and, whilst characters like Rupert Murdock does so internationally, the vast majority are domestic enterprises without a global agenda.

    ”The most effectual engines for [pacifying a nation] are the public papers... [A despotic] government always [keeps] a kind of standing army of newswriters who, without any regard to truth or to what should be like truth, [invent] and put into the papers whatever might serve the ministers. This suffices with the mass of the people who have no means of distinguishing the false from the true paragraphs of a newspaper.”

    Thomas Jefferson, 1785

    A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or, perhaps both.

    James Madison, 1822

    [O]pen access for the media is “what makes a democracy a democracy versus a dictatorship.”

    Sean Spicer, 2017


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    You conflate the media with the dishonest media.
     
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    Trump and his supporters suppose they can determine which of the media are the "dishonest media."

    They conflate "dishonest media" with "the media that report the truth about Donald Trump."
     
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    Do you disagree that the dishonest media is the enemy of the people?
     
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    I think outlets like Breitbart and FOX have as much right to publish as any other...despite their many distortions. In my opinion, they are not the enemy of the people...and if the president were to call them that, I would object as much as possible.
     

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