Away with dinosaur energies, in with clean and electric

I remember when Hillary Clinton got attacked for being framed of wanting to put the coal industry out of business by the people of coal country, West Virginia. I remember just scoffing at these emotional accusations, shaking my head, lightly murmuring, "You're got it all wrong." What Hillary was talking about then, and what I am talking about now is switiching from dinosaur energies (coal, oil), and switching to energies that better preserve this planet. And that's not environmentalism speaking, that's simply common sense speaking. Those dump trucks that spew black into the air? You think that's healthy?

The art of fracking is disrupting seismic and potentially volcanic activity from underneath, so for our safety, fracking is not a clean-cut solution either. The people who are, or aspire to be coal miners because their great-grandfather was a coal miner could be sacrificing their lives over for cleaner energies around civilization, such as electric and windmill energies. Days of fossil fuels are gone--we simply consume them because they are convenient. The whole problem with the Keystone Pipeline, and the Dakota Access Pipeline is they are tied back to the fossil fuels industry, a industry that can be considered a Saurus in itself. Yes, it can be a pat on the back for all that labor that goes into installing the pipeline. Yes, we may very well see prices at the pump slide, but we are not furthering ourselves as a nation in the quest to work off of clean energy 100%.

And no, you don't need to go out and buy a Tesla. The days are coming where I'm sure, if not already, a hybrid between electric and gas to a fully electric F-150 is in the pipes. We need to face the reality the coal industries days are numbered, and continuing to put focus on the fossil fuel industry, which is going in the exact same direction, is energy wasted. At one time, Honda was toying with a hydrogen-powered vehicle.

 

An electric truck. Nice. Have you ever used an electric chain saw?

 

I visited a Tesla showroom where I found out that the high-end version develops over 700 horsepower! It is the fasted production car in the world. Tell me that kind of power can't be applied to a truck. And it goes about 300 miles on a charge, and recharge takes as much time as grabbing a coffee: about 20 minutes with Tesla's 440 volt charger.

And efforts are underway to develop an electric semi for the trucking industry.

Now, tell me what make the most sense. How about going electric for as many vehicles as we can, eventually to include all vehicles. That would make us oil-independent and allow us to stretch the oil supplies we have to last us a long, long time. It would keep the price low as well. Why would anyone but oil companies and their lackeys oppose it?

 

So tell us Kode, what energy source produces that electricity? We'll wait.

 

One critical piece of the energy puzzle is that of alternative fuels. In particular, ethanol, biodiesel, and hydrogen can be derived from algae with a net return per acre-year 10-50 times better than the competition. Algae-derived fuels are carbon neutral and are renewable. And unlike any other option, they can be produced at the scales needed to completely replace oil without requiring a wind generator every 0.25 square mile. Even nuclear power can't do that.

It turns out that ancient algae is what made most of our oil. But unlike dinosaurs, algae can be grown and the oil harvested.

One key problem with electric cars is that we don't have the grid for it. If everyone was driving electric cars, the electric grid would fail.

 

Quite okay in Colorado,
when they still have that big water containment producing power.

I will not introduce our Oroville, we still have to upgrade/enforce the spillway.

 

Very very true. Although it pains me to agree with you.

 

Exploit & develope them all.

 

Oh----------------I get it you greenies are going to power the country with swamp water. Gotta see that. How much have you invested?

 

Tell me what you know about it. Was that it?

 

No, it is not the fastest car in the world. Top speed is 150 mph. That had been reached for production cars in the 1950s. It is not the fastest 0-60 and not the fastest in the quarter mile.

So, you bought the Tesla, right?

 

What current production cars beat it?

 

there you go.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron

 

Barely And that is the fastest product car.

2015 Tesla Model S P85D 'Ludicrous Speed' Upgrade Compare Car
0-60 mph 2.8 | Quarter mile 10.9
http://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/tesla-0-60-mph-times/

The Veyron clicked off a 10.175 seconds at 139 mph and bested the GT-R by 0.8 second.
With a 0-to-60-mph time of 2.5 seconds, a top speed north of 250 mph, and a price tag of more than $1 million, it's appropriate the Bugatti has a blistering quarter-mile time.
By David Arnouts
Read more: http://autoweek.com/article/car-new...g-strip-fast-quarter-mile-video#ixzz4aFSmXaXL

 

Fast be fast.

 

Prices



Tesla Models S 60 kWh Battery AWD

$75,070

Tesla Models S 85 kWh Battery $85,070
Tesla Models S P85D 85 kWh Performance $120,170

With 1,001 horsepower pumping from its W16 engine, it's also the world's most powerful production car. And with a price tag of about $1.5 million, it's the world's most expensive new car. For the Bugatti Veyron 16.4, everything is a superlative.

Now THAT is economic efficiency! Just as much car for 1/10 the price.

 

Would if I could.... Would if I could.....

 

I had a choice: Fast cars or fast women.

I opted for fast women. It is far more fuel efficient.

 

says the guy wasting energy to post.....on an internet forum. Guess you dont mind that black smoke in the air when you need to post on the internet but do mind when a dump truck is doing something to better our infrastructure.

 

Electric cars in general are not yet ready for prime time. I do not see charging stations at every intersate station. The Tesla is not a car for the population, except for the 1%'ers.

Solar is iffy, and the electric companies do their best to prevent homeowners from being totally independant. They always seem to get their piece of the action.

Greenies ignore the technological advances of burning coal cleanly.

If you want readily available power, nuclear is the ticket. But OMG. How EVIL!!!! Bull(*)(*)(*)(*), next case.

 

Electric cars may be the future but it's a ways off. First you have to find a way to produce electricity in volumes needed to power millions of cars plus our current electric needs. Then you have to find a way to do this without using fossil fuels since that is the objective of electric cars. Then there is the infrastructure to fill up so to speak as you cruise down the interstate. Then there is the time factor involved in that, you don't fill up batteries like you do a gas tank. Then there's the batteries themselves which have a limited life span and are very expensive to replace. Then there's more battery problems on the green Dept. The mining that goes into producing these batteries is largely done in China and the most polluting mining in the world. A conversion to an all electric fleet is decades away if not longer and by then something better will have likely come along. Nice dream though.

 

First oil isn't really dinosaurs (it's primarily from algae). Fracking can't disrupt seismic and volcanic activity (doesn't go nearly that deep). it can cause regional earthquakes, which is something different. Fossil fuels aren't nearly gone.

I'm sure in the next 20 years many of us will be using some kind of plug-in or plug-in hybrid. Hydrogen is a waste of time--the cheapest way to get hydrogen is from natural gas. All you do is change where the emissions occur, and make a firebomb of pressurized hydrogen. When we get a better battery, things will go to electric. Solar and wind will be used, with natural gas as a backup.

 

Afghanistan and Bolivia also have lots of Lithium.

 

As does Africa, your point is?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap.../congo-cobalt-mining-for-lithium-ion-battery/

 

If all the greenies think that some kind of alt energy is viable, let them form a corporation and develop it and make billions. Remember is has to be cheaper and easier to use than what we have now. Dont expect people to pay more for some fantastic expensive nonsense. Remember Salyndra.?????