Yeah I know what racism is... I also know that the best way to combat it is too earn the respect of others. I could have went to college on a scholarship designed for native Americans, but I chose to join the military. I've been around the world and I've seen good and bad in all races. I've had as many as 2 part-time jobs while on active duty. Many of my former employers were more than happy to have me on their payroll for diversity purposes. I believe that the best candidate for the job should be the one hired...Not based on race or gender... I've worked hard for everything I have.
wrong everyone here built it white racists retard national progress... so you have to take LESS credit for it than non-racists
Clearly we disagree on that. But to get back to my point, a trillion dollars has already been spent trying to improve the lives of Black people. A trillion dollars wasted. Why do you think a trillion dollars more is going to be any different?
The culture is going the other way. We're never going to back to a concept of "work for what one receives in life." I think in the long term, reparations are going to happen. You can head it off at the pass with reasonable conditions or you can ignore it, like Republicans did to healthcare, and let the Democrats end up writing the Obamacare equivalent to reparations.
(I'm sure you meant "reparations" in your first line.) That plan might get some support. But ONLY if it was a one way trip. NO provision for any to return. Ever. The whole thing sounds really harsh. But look at it this way: 400 years and over a trillion wasted tax dollars, and still NO improvement. Blacks still hate whites, they still don't seem to want to fit into this society, riot every other day, burn buildings, commit countless crimes, murders and rapes, are forever demanding more and more free stuff, are still complaining non-stop about how unhappy they are and how oppressed they are, and now they want freaking repartions. It just NEVER freaking ends. So.... The upshot is, blacks will NEVER be happy here. And many of the other people living here will never be happy with blacks living here, as it now stands. So, since things are that bad, this idea may be the only workable solution. Lord knows, nothing else has worked.
Is there a part of the U.S. Constitution that I missed, that guarantees any group citizens to be as "well off", or "Socially Sound", & "accepted fully", as any other group of citizens? Is anyone "forced" to live or stay anywhere? Seems to me, reparations, should they be sought from anyone, should come from what countries exist now, in Africa, (since we're gonna do something about African slaves) where the tribes that sold their own, originated. I'm not on board 100% with the whole, "Well, if Europeans weren't in the market to buy, the Africans wouldn't have sold" bit either. Anyway, since MY people, Sicilians, were in chains & against their will, forced into slavery for a good 1500 years before the first African sold their cousin, maybe my ethnic heritage should sue for reparations from all the nations which at the time, held THEM as slaves.... And so on, And so on, And so on....
Liberia was established to be a home for the freed slaves. Many took the boat ride then, perhaps many would be keen to the Idea of a plane trip today....
"We're never going to back to a concept of "work for what one receives in life." — Unfortunately, I'm sure you're right about this. One major problem is that there is NEVER an end to the demands for more freebies. Want more free stuff? Let's just riot. Want free money? Let's demand reparations. I sure don't know what the answer is. But I DO know that people never appreciate anything they don't work for. One thing for sure, these never-ending problems make segregation seem like Heaven.
No, no one will be satisfied. That's not my point. I'd like to use reparations as a means to clear the decks of a lot of other damaging crap, like affirmative action and other sorts of minority set asides. If you wait until the democrats impose reparations, you'll pay that forever and keep affirmative action and other set asides. If you could pay out reparations in the form of paying for college or home down payment, wouldn't you rather do that then just cut a series of checks?
I understood what you wrote when I read it the first time. But I don’t see an answer there. Sure Dems will will try to force this crap down our throats along with Affirmative Action and the other give-aways — and those are horrible ideas. But I don’t like your answer, either. It’s just bribery. Why should we pay a down payment for a home for these people? (Yeah. These people). And, hell, we’re ALREADY paying for their college in various ways, anyway. Hell we’re already paying cradle to grave. I just hate the idea of paying people who cause never-ending problems and keep on asking (no, demanding) more free stuff. It will NEVER end, if we don’t find a way to MAKE IT STOP, NOW. We cannot keep rewarding trouble-makers. Reparations is a joke. Show me someone was actually a slave and can prove it, and we’ll talk. Paying some lazy clown a hundred years after the fact, simply because he happens to be the same color as someone who might have been a slave? No, get away from me. Go get yourself a job. Know what I mean? Everytime some lazy fool starts hollering about reparations we should hand them a job application. Bet that would end the demands for more handouts, quick.
Liberia ... a grand social experiment, way ahead of it's time. Despite enjoying complete autonomous freedoms, while at the same time receiving US / EU subsidies, Liberia was, and is, a living hell. For more than a century, Liberia has been embroiled in political turmoil, upheaval, and conflict. Poverty is pervasive, as is violence. Mogadishu is perhaps a more appealing destination. Not that I don't fully support giving Liberia another chance by relocating progressive, SJW's to it's shores.
Perhaps government responsibility to provide social programs to its citizens is the most controversial of all. In the United States the tradition began with the New Deal programs, many of which provided people with relief through jobs, payments, and food. During the 1960s President Lyndon Johnson unveiled his "Great Society" programs aimed at eliminating poverty in the entire country. Many European countries today provide national medical insurance and extensive welfare benefits. Many Americans criticize these programs as expensive ventures that destroy the individual's sense of responsibility for his/her own well being. So the debate over the proper role of government in providing for its people's general welfare is still alive and well today. Though the rules and responsibilities vary greatly through time and place, governments must create them. Governments provide the parameters for everyday behavior for citizens, protect them from outside interference, and often provide for their well-being and happiness. http://www.ushistory.org/gov/1a.asp It's a basic responsibility of the nation to uplift the social status of it's citizen for it will translate into progress, then no one should be forced to work as per the thirteenth amendment. In your last question. For your last question slavery is unlawful and yes I think they could claim as well.
Reparations ? Sure why not ?! How about free tickets back to the country of their choice and a little walking around money to get settled in. Also, a signed contract to never come back the the USA. Sounds fair enough.
Uplifting all citizens is one thing. The government isn't responsible to single out one set of individuals & "equal the playing field" in the least. Affirmative action was a prime example. Not to say however that it's the only one that marginalizes the actual acheivements specific sets accomplish. It also offers a false sence of betterment, by pointing out that a certain set of people are first, a certain set of people, & therefore requires only membership to that set, to have any creedance given to that Set's accomplishments. It in the end, works against those sets bettering themselves, like the rest of us do.
Yup I agree, but could we consider that a failure of a sector within the whole would affect it's entirety. I believe that abilities to sustain development should be supported by the government within a sub-group level making them productive to contribute for the country as one. I think it is more effective than imposing concepts that grasp all for the need for assistance is quite different from sector to sector.
Sure, but to demand reparations from people who had thing zero to do with what the reparations are for, is I believe part of the definition of insanity. Unless the target of betterment applies to all, equally, than that goal does nothing short of promoting racism, & honestly, can be viewed as a form of racism. For the Gov't to go further imposing anything more upon the citizens, for the betterment of only select portions of the population, only widens social & economic divisions for all.
I am not an African American -- so I can not speak for them. After the 1917 Revolution, all former serfs and their descendants got the property of the nobles. My 8 great grandparents also got one room per family in apartments formerly owned by nobles. All my ancestors are Jewish. Many Jews were enserfed 1828-1858. About half of Russian peasants were serfs almost like African American slaves.
We can try encouragement and of course support for I think that slavery notion is still very much alive within them considering this movement. But of course I would not agree if the government will provide the reparations in monetary form but should be provided in terms of social uplift and try bringing them into the channels ideal American society and hopefully making them productive and contribute than leaving them in such a trivial and sometimes anti-social state.
In college, my political science teacher came from Russia and during the revolution, he and a servant went to hunt. They came back to find the family was killed. I don't recall what happened to the servants. But he fled to China first I think and later to America. I wondered what happened to his family home that he had to abandon.
