Too Smart to stop thinking too Stupid to stop.

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    There is some very real documented scientific data that has to do with specific geologic materials...stones, quartz laden rock, moving water...etc....that acts very much the same way as a Magnetic Tape records Video or Music....except these things supposedly record Extreme and Violent Human Emotions specific with Death or Murder.

    Steven King stayed at the Stanley Hotel which sits on such geologic materials and after staying there he wrote the SHINING.

    I saw something once....and I cannot deny I saw it.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    I knew you'd spot that !

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    there's no accounting for stephen king. man's a freak.

    meantime, I've seen things too. once I saw a red car drive down my street backwards.
     
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    But was it a Candy Apple Red or a Crimson Red?

    Cause one is intelligent and the other is Color Blind!!! LOL!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    ha. I saw where a freak was posting on a forum.
     
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    crimson. sorry !
     
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    I figure the universe is entirely made up of and moves thru the fabric of space time.

    I too have been on unable to accept the supernatural on faith. AFter 40 odd years of searching, I have concluded that I seem to lack some gene or hormonal combination that triggers blind acceptance of socially obsolete and sexually repressed dogma.

    We are all star stuff as Sagan used to say. And knowing that, its hard to accept ancient religious mythologies told by people who were profoundly ignorant of the world they lived on.
     
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    To a degree....
    we humans..... at least somewhat resemble the probable Artificial Intelligences that we will almost certainly
    soon invent.........

    ..... it sure seems probable that an astonishingly great intelligence may have invented either our hard drive / soul......
    or surely the meat suit that this soul / hard drive is housed in.......
    and the greatest purpose of human life may well be somewhat similar to the artificial environments that we may have to create
    for A. I. in order to test them for ethical behavior.......

    before they are release out into the world.....
    perhaps due to some off the scale emergency that makes the risks of turning A. I. loose look like a lower risk......
    than the risk associated with NOT RELEASING them??????
     
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    Silent Planet... Metalcore band if you want to call them that. I think most of there members are native or all. First album.. Listen to it. "I took a life!! And that takes mine!!! That's from Panic Room song title. Check out Architects, underoath, August Burns Red too. All these bands have been through hell and which for time being would be purgatory, the earth itself. How mind boggling it would be to never go to Heaven and doing your time to just reincarnate. Although, I still find beauty on Earth. Im spoiled and a lucky sob to have never experienced hell. Trapped in purgatory.. A very very deep sleep for me.. Until dad made me again.. Yeah.. My dads the Devil..
     
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    Near death experiencers are coming back from their out of the body experiences
    able to present a powerful case for eventual universal salvation.

    A percentage of them have been shown a higher dimensional prison environment
    though that we sure do want to avoid.


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a04h
     
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    Yeah no doubt. Anticipating to be conspired against. Can't live in Hell without going through Hell.
     
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    Dont listen to this dude either. This is my forum now..
     
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    Near death experience huh? Tell me. What did you do in your past life that kept you here? Silverstein- Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory.. "I still remember my first time with Armor in Hell, but somehow I planned my escape to Heaven!"
     
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    What is your opinion on the Cosmological arguments? Like, if we can slap the label "God" on whatever the origin of the universe is, does that not mean that God exists (even though our lack of knowledge about the origins of the universe means the nature of this God is largely unknown).

    I tend to find that trusting one's intelligence in matters like these is rather dubious. People on both sides of any debate tend to cling to their own understanding of intelligence.
     
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    Native American spirituality is simple... Everything has a spirit, Mother Earth, Father Sky, the gift of life is water.
     
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    Sounds like your asking for something that only you can find.

    When it comes to logic I would simply say this. If you are guiltless or guilty, nobody else needs to know, for "YOU" yourself know, and it is that which leaves you without excuse.

    You said you killed someone but that you had to. I can only take your word on that, and I will. This lays within the realm in which I said. For if you killed but had to, it is something only you yourself are going to know. If you have any sort of guilt, where do you think that comes from? And do you think that guilt will go unjustified?

    This is also applicable with world governments or powers that be here on earth.
    For without a God, people like Hitler and Napoleon would be no worse than you or I. For there would be nobody to judge their deeds, and we all have to die sometime. So we have the ultimate punishment which is death, and without a God (someone to justify our deeds), even those who do good will die, as well as those who do evil. So without a God, in the end (death) how are they any different?
     
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    This doesn't ring true to me. Illegal things like theft are illegal even if you don't get caught and punished. Similarly, I don't have a problem proclaiming murder to be immoral even if there isn't a God which punishes you.

    I would anchor my morality in humanity (by definition humanism, others could anchor it in different things), in things like suffering and pleasure (exact definitions may vary). As such, it strikes me that if Hitler killed lots of people, then those people suffered, and hence it was immoral. The fact that nobody is there to punish him is a shame, but it's neither here nor there when it comes to whether it was wrong.

    It strikes me as very odd to look at people whom Hitler killed and say it doesn't matter just because there isn't a punishment meted out.
     
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    If I gave to charity 1,000,000 dollars and somebody else stole that million, and never got caught. Your saying his deed is no worse than mine. If I helped a million people, and somebody else killed a million people, and never got caught (like what's going on in the middle east). When we both die, there is nothing thereafter, so the killer is no worse than I.

    You might be able to use words (blain babblings) to dance around that. But that's all your doing.
     
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    No, I think I was saying the opposite. I apologise if I failed to make it clear. What I'm saying is things can be wrong even if they aren't successfully punished. If the killer dies and there is no god to punish him, I would still call it wrong.
     
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    So as long as you are able to call someone wrong, you feel that's all the justice that is required. So why law enforcement, judges, etc? Your saying you don't need justice. Let alone, justice for all!
     
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    Not at all, we should strive for punishment to exist, but that's not the same as saying theft is good as long as you get away with it.

    There is a difference between "there should be justice" and "there is justice". I believe in the former. The latter I do not believe, at least not fully. Sure, I believe it in part, I don't suggest law enforcement does not exist, but I don't believe it happened for, for instance Hitler, who avoided both law and other repercussions.
     
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    But if those Life Review's reported by near death experiencers are
    an actual phenomena with a basis in reality.... then Adolf would have
    one seriously rough life review........
    the temptation for him to run away from the life review and get stuck in
    The Void would be great.

    http://www.near-death.com/science/research/life-review.html

    The Life Review and the Near-Death Experience
     
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    God provides 100% justice for all. And weather or not one believes that, is absolutely irrelevant.
     
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    Or, of course, the opposite is true, that there is no justice after death and whether you think that's a problem is irrelevant.

    Either way, my argument is in response to your quote "So without a God, in the end (death) how are they any different?" which avoids the issue of what's actually true, it just considers the case in which there is no god, so the post I'm quoting here doesn't resolve anything.
     

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