Arctic hits record low

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  1. livefree

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    Perhaps you got laughed at because your "questions" were so ignorant, clueless and irrelevant.....and because they revealed that you have no actual understanding of the issues, and were based only on your total, propaganda-induced misunderstanding of the science and the real world situation facing the human race.
     
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    I said I enjoyed.
    In your mind you this is answer to the questions you quoted and and obliteration of my CO2 claims.
    What are my claims?
    I am still enjoying to watch how minds of blind believers work.
     
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    There is no perhaps.
    Questions may be ignorant, clueless and irrelevant.
    But only blind fanatical believers who have no reasons, no facts, no anything behind their beliefs start mocking, ridiculing, laughing and throwing crap around them like monkeys in reply when their blind beliefs are questioned.
    As they keep on doing that the may attract stupid, weak and narrow minded, but open minded and strong enough to have their own standing will see that all climate science is nothing but a scum, a total crap.
    There is no perhaps.
     
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    Yeah, you're right. It's a certainty that you get laughed at because of the fact that your questions are always so very definitely ignorant, clueless and irrelevant.




    Nope! Intelligent, educated, sane people who understand and accept science are the ones mocking and laughing at the ignorant, clueless, irrelevant and very fraudulent denier cult bullcrap you post....none of which actually does anything, except in your utterly clueless and confused mind, to "question" the scientific foundations of human caused global warming. You literally don't know enough to ask any meaningful questions, and the little you imagine you know is wrong...just fraudulent fossil fuel industry propaganda.
     
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    Thank you for another public demonstration how intelligent, educated and sane you are.
     
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    You're welcome.

    Try not to be jealous.
     
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    It is the 3rd time you cannot answer simple questions.

    I guess you are stack with the space/the outer space/the void and with going back to where it didn’t come from.

    Let me try to clarify:

    The 2nd law says: Heat always flows from a hotter body to a colder body in a spontaneous process.

    You cannot say anything which is not in full compliance with the law.

    Heat can never stop flowing (by being radiated, or by being conducted, or by being conveyed).

    Heat can never flow to a void or from a void.

    Heat never can flow back.

    Heat never can flow in all directions, but only in one.

    THIS IS THE LAW YOU AND ALL SCIENTISTS HAVE BEEN BREAKING.

    That’s why you are stuck and always will be unless you denounce science and scientists and follow the law.

    Heat can flow only from the sun to the earth. No part of it can be radiated back to the Sun, it is the direction forbidden by the law.

    Heat from the earth flows not to the void, but to the Cosmos (or whatever you call it) which is the colder body missed by all scientists; and like the Earth and The Sun has its parameters, - it is infinite and has Temperature of 0K which will take all heat available in the universe and will remain to be at 0K.

    All heat flowing from to the earth during the day will flow to the Cosmos during the night. Changing all earth atmosphere to 100% CO2 cannot break the thermodynamic equilibrium of the system, - the law states that only an additional input of mechanical work or any other energy can do. But God is not pumping work or energy in the universe, he made the law and will not change it even if 100% of scientists get stuck at it.

    Does it help?
     
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    This is ridiculous ..you never consider insulation or the insulating effects of CO2. If you have heat being put into the system faster than the heat can leave the system. The system heats up. Heat does radiate from hot to cold and only that direction. But insulation slows the heat transfer. That is why you insulate a house. To keep the heat in. Sure, if you did not heat the house it would be as cold as the outside ...not considering wind chill. But the well insulated house is warmer on the inside because it is slowing the transfer of heat.
     
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    Yes....it helps us understand quite clearly that your comprehension of science is at a sub-par second grade level. You really have no idea what you are talking about.....AT ALL!
     
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    The 2nd law never considers insulation. I never consider insulation because I have to be in compliance with the law.
    If I could ask you a stupid question like "are you interested in any further explanation", I would.
    But I know you aren't. Because no laws of physics can break through blind beliefs of a religious fanatic.
     
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    And another content-free empty post from the reality deniers......quite appropriate!
     
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    What law of physics is broken by insulation?
     
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    No, I don't think it does...at least not yet. Honestly, I'm not even sure what we're debating anymore. In what way is the 2nd law of thermodynamics being broken here. Why do you think things inside the Earth's biosphere cannot convert some of their energy into photons that speed away from the surface and towards the cosmos? Why do you think the energy carried by photons and coming from the Sun has to be EXACTLY balanced with the energy in the photons leaving Earth? Remember, CO2 and other greenhouse gases aren't a one-size-fits-all mechanism for blocking/reflecting energetic photons. These gases respond to the EM spectrum in different ways depending on the EM carriers wavelength.

    And just to clarify...the Earth does not "capture" ALL of the energy from the Sun. Some of it is reflected away (like a mirror) before it has a chance to manifest as heat in the biosphere.
     
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    Then everyone clearly sees that you're advocating irrationality.

    Obviously yes. Then you'd start sweating, which would limit your body temperature rise, but your skin temperature absolutely would rise if you wrapped yourself in many blankets.

    Yes, by a degree or two.

    You're hopeless. You have zero common sense on the subject of heat flow.

    You're just not intellectually capable of understanding what the grownups here are talking about. I tried to dumb it down to a 1st-grade level for you, but even that level was beyond your grasp.

    That's a dishonest red herring on your part. If you wrap a heat source in an insulator, it gets hotter. Your idiot physics is totally wrong. End of story.

    That's a dishonest red herring on your part. If you wrap a heat source in an insulator, it gets hotter. Your idiot physics is totally wrong. End of story.

    Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo,cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo ...

    Hey everyone, we got a live one! Inquisitor says that insulating your house doesn't make it warmer!

    Home builders? You're wasting money on insulation. Inquisitor says so.

    Hardware stores? They're ripping people off, selling insulation that Inquisitor says is useless.

    So, Inquisitor, what other common sense phsyics that everyone else on the planet except you understands are you now going to declare is totally wrong?
     
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    How stating the fact that Thermodynamics has no use for logical conclusions made from empirical evidence does makes me advocating something the more irrationality? Care to explain?

    Explaining the fourth time: insulating a house does not make it to warm up, it does not change any T in the house if you have no source of heat in the house, if your furnace broke. The furnace makes the house warm, not the insulation. It should be obvious to everyone who is not mentally handicapped. Those who are mentally handicapped would freeze in an insulated house but would not turn the furnace on just to prove that the insulation is making them warm. Is there believer in GW who is not mentally handicapped?
     
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    I did not say a law of physics is broken by insulation I said no law of physics can break through blind beliefs of a religious fanatic.
    Do you see the word insulation in the 2nd law? Yes, No?
    You can do anything you want with insulation but you will not break the 2nd law in the end;
    and you will not warm up anything with insulation that it is not colder than insulation. Insulation is not a source of heat.
     
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    I have pointed to the violations, - heat radiated BACK or in all directions, to some kind of an uncertain void, space with no parameters, the Sun heating the Earth during the night, energy is not heat, it cannot flow by means of radiation, etc. Some of them are done by you. Read the law. Understand each word and then read any explanation of global warming and find a violation after violation yourself.

    You have said the key word – balanced. you don't even have to say the word exactly.

    You see the planets moving around the Sun on certain orbits and spinning around their axis in certain directions. Nothing is gaining a moment or accelerating. The system is in a total balance. In order to get it out of balance God has to hit with a hammer or put his finger on a spinning planet to slow it down.

    When the planets were set in the balanced motion the flow of heat was set in balance.

    If, as you suggest, somehow, no matter how and what is your theory about it, some heat, a tiny part of it could be lost on the Earth in its way from the Sun to the Cosmos the Earth would have been heating and it would turn into another Sun by the time you were born. But (if to skip the secular cooling) it has been remaining nice a pleasant for quite a long time. Changing all atmosphere to CO2 or ripping it completely off is not hitting with a hammer or putting a finger on, because the atmosphere is not a source of heat, nor it can produce mechanical work on the Earth. Only an extra input of heat/energy or a mechanical work can change the balance.
    If you rip all atmosphere off the oceans will be evaporating during the day and freezing during the night, but the overage T ---- and heat content, ( nothing, zero, zilch is added to the heat content ) of the Earth will not change.

    Just to clarify: NO heat can be “captured”, trapped, retained, reflected, reflected away, reflected back, contained because the law says:
    Heat
    ALWAYS !
    FLOWS!

    from
    a hotter
    body ( you have to look for a body!!!!)
    to a colder
    body ( you have to look for a body!!!!)
    in a spontaneous (the one with no extra input of heat or mechanical work) process.
     
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    That is almost unbelievably clueless. Are you putting us on?

    Nobody said that "insulation is a source of heat".

    What insulation does is slow down the rate of heat loss into the surrounding environment from anything hot or anything being heated. Your heater warms your house, but it would have to work much harder and use more fuel to keep it at the same temperature if your house has no insulation. The insulation in your walls keeps your house warmer than it would otherwise be, even though the insulation is cooler than the interior of your house.

    Please test this for yourself by opening holes in your walls and pulling all of the insulation out. Please!
     
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    No factual content
    not true, read

    Unbelievable! I am shocked! What is it?!!!!
    Everything you have said is true and rational!
    You tell me! Why do you think I paid over $1400 for the programs doing comprehensive heat loss/ gain calculations for residential and commercial buildings?

    What is that bright moment all over suddenly?
     
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    How clueless can you be? Solar furnaces use reflected energy. Heat can be reflected and albeit temporary, heat can be stored.
     
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    No, the mirror has to warm up according to heat flowing to it per an area of it first. The Solar furnaces use lenses, thus the distribution of heat is different for the area of mirrors and the area heated by them. On a hot day take big enough piece of galvanized sheet metal bring it on roof, leave under the sun. It will be reflecting the sun blinding your eyes, it will be hot so you cannot touch it. It will be hotter than any other painted and thus supposed to be absorbing heat metal.
     
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    Ok, kid. Now it explains. I remember at one of the first lecture a Professor told us: Forget everything you learned in school. I just don't remember if he was the only one or it was a common refrain. What grade are you in?
     
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    Did you even read the link? Why does the blacktop road heat faster and warmer than your lawn? I think Ben Franklin did the first experiments. I have been out of school for years, but I have never stopped learning. Are you four years old?
     
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