Arctic hits record low

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  1. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just thought I'd throw this in the mix in response to the recent thread in hear "Antarctica hits record high". It will be fun and interesting to see how the warmer cult in here that called that proof of AGW will call this thread just weather and proves nothing.

    "In recent days, some of the coldest March air in decades has gripped portions of Alaska and the Canadian Arctic. Fragments of that frigid air will come crashing into the eastern United States on Friday and into the weekend.

    The air spilling into the Great Lakes, Northeast and Mid-Atlantic may not fall to record levels, but it could bring the coldest weather to parts of the region since January.

    Its pedigree is impressive.

    On Saturday, Mould Bay in the Canadian Arctic set an all-time record low of minus-66.5 degrees (minus-54.7 Celsius)."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tern-u-s-this-weekend/?utm_term=.1c866bc95718
     
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    This ^^ is obviously proof of global cooling. :confused:
     
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    Here we go again, the confusion over climate versus weather.
    One day, a week, even a month does not determine a long-term trend.

    Flat-earther.
     
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    If you are going to use single day records from one place then you have simply abandoned science
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So clear up the confusion, why is record warm in the Antarctic global warming and record cold in the Arctic weather?
     
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    On a single day? You are kidding....right?
     
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    Both are only weather. One day is weather. A trend is climate.
     
  8. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seems good enough for the thread on Antarctica setting a record warm temperature which somehow proved global warming.

    From that OP;

    "The Experanza base set the high on March 24, 2015, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) said"
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So we agree that those responding to the Antarctica sets record warm temperature OP as proof of global warming are out to lunch. My point exactly!
     
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    It also set the record for the warmest year on record
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The record warm in Antarctica OP was based on one record warm day just as this OP is based on one record cold day. Your obfuscation attempt is a fail. Batter up.

    Here's a bit more on this too,it's not just one day.

    "Vancouver in its longest cold snap in over 30 years"
    "Average temps below 5 C for 33 days"


    http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/when-vancouver-had-winter-1.3918910
     
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    that's where are winter went, we did not have one this year
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't know where you're at but we sure had one here in NE Washington! I've never driven run out of firewood in my life but I've got about two weeks worth left in my shed. I'll soon be out in waste deep snow falling snags across my road for heat. Long cold winter here!
     
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    It's cold so, according to warmists is must be 'weather'....
     
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    WHAT are you talking about?!! Been colder here with more snow than in recent years.
     
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    Obviously reaching for anything to avoid the very-very obvious truth.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    What's with the facts? Don't confuse the issue.
     
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    If the earth is warming, it's not the first time. I guess that everyone knows this, but it's worth repeating. According to scientists, there have been at least five major ice ages. And all of them, including the one presently in decline, happened regularly, all on their own, because there was no human industry throughout the bulk of that time. The earth cools down and heats up and cools down and heats up. Nothing can stop it. It's an earth thing. It would have happened whether there was an industrial revolution or not. So apparently, we'll have to either adapt or perish.
     
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    I'm more of a life sciences person by profession, but still: If we want to talk about whether there is a general global warming or cooling, we'd want to see annual, global trends in aggregate, not isolated values. Furthermore, where did you get the simplistic idea that global warming means the entire planet uniformly warms up steadily and evenly? That's not realistic at all. What is realistic is that the dramatic activities of our highly dominant species can change the climate and the face of the earth, much like other organisms have before for better or worse. If we cannot exactly predict how this will manifest, that doesn't change the clearly likely notion that our actions can affect the planet. What is it that motivates people who try to assert that mankind cannot change the climate? Did you buy a huge stake in coal, or something?

    Overall, 2016 was the warmest year on record:

    https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201613
     
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    A very long winded diatribe which does everything possible to avoid the point of the OP which once again is this. Please explain why every record warm event is proof of AGW while every record cold event is just weather. Here let me help,I'll explain it for you.

    "True believers know for a fact that man is warming the planet so every warm event is proof of that. Cold events are to be disregarded as weather because they don't fit into the mindset of the cult. Move along folks nothing to see here."

    You remind me of fundamentalist Christians that attribute every good thing in their lives to an act of God and every bad event as the work of Satan. There is no way to hold a rational conversation with either one of you so all that is left is to shine a light on your dark corners and let rational people judge for themselves.
     
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    You're right,. It does not. But what is significant about this recording is that it captures the absolute coldest temp in the arctic. Which seems to indicate that the long term trend for more moderation and warming isn't then able to resist an event like this which then casts doubt on the durability of the trend. And that is why this is important.
     
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    I am saying you are looking at the wrong thing. Global warming would be an overall change over time. One would not expect this to be applied evenly. The fact that a low temp occurred somewhere does not invalidate an overall global trend. It is also true that a local high temp would not be as relevant as an overall change.
     
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    Why? As you're the only person here saying such a crazy thing, you're the one who needs to explain it. Don't ask us to explain your deranged cult beliefs, being we certainly don't believe them.

    We do know why you always lie about what we supposedly say. You can't debate what we actually say.
     
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    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/antarctica-hits-record-high.498473/

    "More evidence of global warming. When will the world come to its senses? What a terrible problem to leave to our future generations.

    An Argentine research base near the northern tip of the Antarctic peninsula has set a heat record at a balmy 63.5° Fahrenheit (17.5 degrees Celsius), the U.N. weather agency said on Wednesday"

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    You can't talk rationally to these people. They wouldn't know the truth if a glacier melted on top of them.
     

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