What are "Family Values"?

I can't believe I never started a thread about this. What a crock! The Republicans have been using this gibberish to brainwash the masses for decades

What are family values? The right claims this as their moral high ground because... why?

I say it is just code for religion. It means, this is our kind of "christian", meaning he is supported by the fundamentalists and evangelicals. Generally that boils down to opposing abortion. But then I oppose abortion. I also happen to support the right of choice for the mother. So I would bet it really comes down to not only opposing abortion, but actively trying to deny that protection for the mother.

 

Beyond that is it just more Orwellian religion propaganda from the right wing. As if to say, Democrats don't have families or care about them like Republicans do.

 

Christian Family Gets 5 Children Taken Away by Gov't for Teaching God Punishes Sin

Child welfare services in Norway have reportedly removed five Christian children from their parents' home and placed them into foster care after the parents were accused of radicalizing and indoctrinating their children with Christianity.

Although the family wasn't quite sure at the time why their children were being taken away from them, their lawyer discovered that the parents were being charged with Christian indoctrination.

The family's ordeal began on Nov. 16 when the Barnevernet took the Bodnariu's two daughters out of school without their parents knowledge and moved them to an undisclosed location. Officials then went to the family's home, allegedly without documentation, and seized two of the sons and arrested Ruth, who took her baby son, Ezekiel, with her to the police station. Officials also went to Marius' work and arrested him.



7 Homeschool Kids to Remain in State Custody at Least 5 More Weeks; Father Says They're Victims of 'Christian Persecution'
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After being interrogated for several hours, the parents and baby Ezekiel were freed and allowed to go home, but without the other children.

The next day, officials went back to the Bodnariu's home and took Ezekiel into custody on the grounds that Ruth was "dangerous."

According to the Institute, the parents were refused access to their older children over the following couple of weeks and told that their children had adapted well in their new foster home and "didn't miss their parents."

The Bodnariu's lawyer obtained a copy of the government document that lists the charges against Marius and Ruth, which includes being listed as "radical Christians who were indoctrinating their children."

The lawyer told the parents that the government agency had overstepped its legal boundaries by not providing documentation and by separating a mother from her breastfeeding baby.

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/c...-god-punishes-sin-151693/#ig2qy87boGG0L6Ls.99

 

Great topic.

I absolutely despised the media spinning the GWB voters in 2004 as the "values voters", basically implying that the Kerry voters had no values.

The truth is that divorce rates are no different for conservatives and Christians than for the rest of the population. So, all their spin of taking the moral high ground is just that, spin and talk without being backed up by action.

In reality, they pray only to one god: Money.

 

Amongst politicians family values means you never let your whore mongering, wife beating, drunken, child abusing sides become public.

 

Family values is not cheating on your wife and a thousand other good ideas.

Conservatives aren't perfect, but at least they try to adhere to family values. Liberals just laugh at them.

 

Shall we start a list? OK. No Trump allowed until the list reaches 50.
My favorite. Jack Ryan the republican candidate for senator against Obama running on family values. Ex wife - Jeri Ryan, perhaps the hottest actress at the time well known for her wit and intelligence and the best fitting uniform ever in Star Trek history. She filed for divorced because he frequented sex clubs and wanted to spice up their sex by doing it in front of a crowd and with others.

 

Here's a keeper from Wikipedia. John Schmitz, Representative (R-CA), leader of the ultra-conservative John Birch Society, admitted to having a second family, but refused to accept or support the two children he produced who became wards of the state.

He was so into family values he had two and in true conservative form abandoned his git after they were born, can't have an abortion you see.

 

Yeah, and then there was this freedom caucus, family values guy who walked the Appalachian trail -- err -- was with his mistress in Argentina. What was his name again, I think Sanford?

The irony is that all the upstanding family values voters voted him right back into office. Bunch of hypocrites. But then, they turn around and tell the lie that conservatives, while not perfect, still have values and the Dems have none, just like the good Texas Republican above. Makes me want to puke.

 

As you already pointed out in a posting on this thread (that I liked).....POLITICIANS......ALL POLITICIANS, are not to be held as an example of the whole. Using Republican politicians to judge the whole of the "conservative" body is just a disingenuous as it would be for me to judge the "Liberal" body based upon the Democrat Politicians.

 

Great. Multiply that by several million and you have the number of liberals who have made mistakes.

 

Is there really a difference between family values and "It takes a village!"? I don't see one.

 

True. I was just ticked off at the presentation of conservatives as holding the moral high ground and a "conservative democrat" today is as rare as the Tasmanian tiger so it's going to fall more heavily on republicans. I would also point out that any that I post ran on family values.
For example, again quoting wikipedia, Scott DesJarlais, Representative (R-TN), admitted under oath to at least six affairs, including two affairs with his patients and staffers while he was a physician Grandview Medical Center in Jasper, TN. Additionally, while running on a pro-life platform, DesJarlais made his ex-wife have two abortions, and tried to persuade a mistress who was his patient, into an abortion as well.

Like Schmitz who fathers children but doesn't follow up with fatherly support, campaigned as a right to lifer but then instructs his wife to have abortions and tried to get his wife to as well.

 

Uh uh. You can't claim the high ground on this one. Liberals are more honest about it. You're like the Jews that would have stoned a woman to death had Jesus not pointed out their hypocrisy to them.
Let me know when you want to cry uncle.

 

"Family values" stresses individual responsibility, primarily on the parents.

"It takes a village" broadens the responsibility. It is more communitarian. Some liberals take this to the extreme and desire the government to have a large role is raising children (minimizing the role of the parents).

 

Family values are generally the morals and general belief set that you adopt at the family level. Like your Dad believed in volunteering so your family makes a habit of doing it. Things like that, which are shared(even if not by all) within a family unit.

They cease to be family values when they are used to attack and attempt to control other families, who apparently don't have as much clout in deciding what their own family values should be. It's nothing more than imposing your idea of how others should think and behave on everybody. All those family values groups, all the politicians who pay it lip service regardless of party or ideology, are just trying to appeal for money and support from those who want to tell other people how they should live in their personal lives.

 

No need to confine ourselves to republican politicians.
How about Jim Bakker with Jessica Hahn or Jimmy Swaggart and his hookers? Two deeply "religious" men with a history of condemning others for the very things that they were doing.

 

This is hogwash. Parents can play a much larger role than government, but they have to choose to do it. That's always been the case. For parents who don't choose to play a large role in their child's upbringing, that child will be influenced by other people or other things. That's not liberal anything, that's basic human psychology.

 

Did you ever see the old TV show "Green Acres"? Talking with liberals is like the situations where Mr. Douglas tried to talk sense with the locals in the village.

 

Family values isn't about abortion or religion, but it can be.

sorry, but if you don't know what family values are, then... I pity you.

 

Which explains a lot actually, because I was just thinking about how some people must really think about the world as if it is a TV show, where one dimensional people exist in droves. The good people are always the good people and the bad people are always the bad people, and you can always tell right off the bat. Not like in real life where good people can be bad people and bad people can be good people, and both can be equally skilled at hiding it or getting away with it. People who think like you can be bad people and people who disagree with you can be good people, and vice versa. TV shows do not generally encompass this truth about the nature of the human spectrum and especially not the ones from older generations which were under much higher pressure to depict specific lifestyles and morality and viewpoints.

It's not real. That's why it's best to leave social conservatism and family value arguments out of political discussions. They just make hypocrites of everybody.

 

No, it's really like talking to spoiled children.

They can't help but get angry when told they can't have what they want. The only difference is that the lefties want geritol, while spoiled kids want candy. Neither can pay for what they want, and both will throw a hissy fit if they are told they have to get a job or mow a lawn so they can afford what they want.

The world isn't fair to a lefty, and that really pisses them off.

 

For me family values are that no child should be hungry. No child should be afraid. No parent should have to choose between food or school for their child. It's all about the children. Children make the unit a family. Gay parents, single parents, parents who hate each other and parents who love each other makes no never mind to me if they make sure their children are safe, warm and healthy. If they do that they have family values. But conservatives have perverted the term to be exclusively "Ozzie and Harriette".

 

You like using the word Brainwash a lot. But honestly Religion is way more than opposing Abortion, ever read the Catechism?

 

One of the tenets of communitarianism is that no decision and no action should occur at a larger scale than necessary. So, "it takes a village" is actually a liberal notion and NOT communitarian if it is used to take prerogatives out of the hands of parents.

Communitarians would want the village to instill those parents with a sense of responsibility without interfering. But that community standard probably would mean, "Watch your kids like you should and don't let 'em run around the neighborhood."

And, of course,when communitarians say "a village" they mean "a village," whereas when Hillary Clinton said, "a village" she probably meant the federal government.