The Dark Rigidity of Fundamentalist Rural America

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... and the good old standby that's been around for 2000 years...

Personally I like...

 

Do the authors, or can you, show anything in the "Sumerian cosmological texts" regarding Pluto? Something actually from the Sumerians - not crap made up in the 20th Century like...

 

Ecco, they are making their drawings from the description in the ancient record, the Enuma Elish. Could you do a better job?
http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/Enuma_Elish.html

 

I went to your link. I saw no drawings.

I scanned your linked article. Are these the writings ...

... that you believe are the source for this...




If not, could you do a better job of making a connection between the Sumerian writings in your linked article and the diagram?

 

That is all a part of the Enuma Elish.
They have written in highly symbolized/allegorical language personifying the elements, as does the bible.

 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/210704/r...teral-word-god.aspx?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313

Okay Gallup is pretty reliable lets do the numbers the population of the nation is 324 million (rounded up from the 2016 numbers from the World Bank) which means 78 million American Citizens believe the Bible is the literally taken word of god and to me that means 24% of our citizens are ignorant ignoring modern science in key areas, believe the book is a guide to morality (scary if anyone read it). And I assume a proportional number of people in public offices are equally ignorant (assuming all levels and areas of public service) so our leaders are in a decent percentage ignorant to. And you wonder why Fundamentalism is strong in some States and areas of the country?

 

What is all a part of the Enuma Elish? Show me something, anything, in their writings on which you could base your comments regarding Pluto or your assertion...

 

I already did that - go back and review my previous posts.

 

Why should Christians listen to atheists and outsiders, when they're blatantly wrong???

 

Nice duck and dodge. You really expect me to look back over 180 posts to look for something that I'm quite sure isn't there.

Especially since I already looked up Enuma Elish and found no mention of Pluto. Especially since Pluto is not visible to the naked eye.

No, I'm not going to do your work for you.

 

You did not have to go thru 180 posts to find the link....it is on post #175.
Now whose ducking and dodging?
The link: http://fourwinds10.com/siterun_data...or_source/hatonn_-_aton/news.php?q=1318020153

You need to come up to date on Earth History. Try reading more widely.

 

We are not just talking about flood legends where the land flooded. We are talking legends that are almost identical to Noah's flood. In fact one of the legends' date of the time of the flood is only 60 years off from the Bible. As for your second statement, there is evidence for a world wide flood.

 

That's not a hard thing to argue actually. Have you seen Facebook and twitter?

 

Yes, all of here people lived near.......water sources. When it rains a lot, those sources flood.

no there isn't. We know beyond any doubt there has never been a worldwide flood in the entire 4.5 billion year history of the earth.

 

I previously went to your link in post #175...
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Marduk

I also looked up other references to Enuma Elish. That is why I posted "I already looked up Enuma Elish and found no mention of Pluto."

There is nothing in your Britannica article about Pluto. There is nothing in your Britannica article about celestial orbits.

Uh huh. I wouldn't take fourwinds as a reputable source of Earth History. Nevertheless, there is nothing in the fourwinds article indicating that the Sumarians knew about Pluto, except the writers own comments...

(my emphases)

The writer doesn't actually show the ancient texts, planetary lists or Sumerian cosmological texts. He just makes his proclamations and expects people to believe him.

I can't ask him to produce his alleged evidence, but I can ask you. Show where, in Sumerian texts, there is any mention of Pluto. Show where, in Sumerian texts, there is any reference to...




ETA: http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/#

 

ecco, You wouldn't be able to read the Sumerian record as it is written in Cuneiform. You haven't read the works of Zechariah Sitchin either.
The writer of the article on "fourwinds" is referencing his work.
"fourwinds" reproduces other works. That article was from Phoenix Liberator, which is also the Publisher of Phoenix Journals and Phoenix Contact.

 

If the Earth were to stall and turn over there would be Tsunamis world wide which would give rise to folk tales of a world-wide flood.

If one is going to discuss such matters then he should have done the research.
Here is one site to get you started. http://www.catastrophism.com/cdrom/index.htm

 

At no time in earths history has it ever stalled. At no time in earths history has their ever been a global flood. Neither of those points are in any way debatable. We know this beyond any doubt. Please, just admit that the earth has never been globally flooded.

 

So because you were not able to dissuade them from their beliefs and they refuse to dwell in your bubble, their views will be automatically discounted by you. That's hypocrisy. Why must everyone share your views? Because you're a liberal.

 

That's kinda the point, isn't it. Some woo folks write books about ancient stuff and people just buy into it. You have no way of knowing what is written in the Sumarian texts, but you just blindly accept the word of people making money by writing crap for the gullible.

However, there is at least one organization that has taken the time to actually translate much of the Sumarian writing:

http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/#​

I challenge you to skim thru their works and find anything like the nonsense you believe.

I also challenge you to look at this site...

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/​

 

You know that how?
No, there was no global flood, but to those experiencing these tsunamis it would seem that way, wouldn't it?

Here is another account of cosmic catastrophes: http://www.knowth.com/sacred-geography-1.htm

 

That site looks interesting. Thanks

I wouldn't say that I absolutely believe what these authors have said, but for the time being it does answer a lot of questions. When more info comes along that is taken into consideration and the other adjusted accordingly. If there is a great conflict, I have to consider both. Yeah, I can hold conflicting info and consider that they both might be true. Apparently you cannot. You must judge immediately. Evidenced by your reference to "woo folks".

 

Why would anyone believe scientific facts over an ancient Middle Eastern ethnocentric Jewish religious fairy tale? It has golems, zombies, demons, ghosts, angels, unicorns, seven-eyed goats, etc.

 

Well here's a part of a book (ooh and it's from Harvard.edu - do you consider them "woo folk" too?) It won't let me copy it. This page has some good pertinent info: http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/...=1&data_type=GIF&type=SCREEN_VIEW&classic=YES

 

(my emphases)

conflicting info
There was once an ancient city called Atlantis that disappeared in the sea.
Atlantis is a myth.

Ancient Peruvians carved lines into the earth to guide alien ships.
The Nazca lines had nothing to do with aliens.

Sumarians knew about Pluto because aliens told them.
Sumarians knew nothing about Pluto.

You can "consider that they both might be true"? How?

Judge immediately? I've been hearing woo stories for probably longer than you are alive. Do I really have to investigate each and every one? I don't have to pick up every plop of dog poo to know how the next one is going to smell.

Nevertheless, I did take to time to look into your claims. Here is what I found...

• Neither you nor the authors could show any connection between Sumarian writings and the "chart". You just took them at their word.
• Scanning translations of Sumarian writings at http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/# indicated nothing along the lines of your authors viewpoints. Since you did not know translations were available, it's obvious you did not do any research to look for information opposing your views.
• Wiki articles contained nothing to support your authors viewpoints.
• The article at http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/ confirmed my initial immediate judgement: WOO.