Why is there only one begotten son of God? Is he you?

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  1. Phil K

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    If there is only one, why can't it be Jesus ? There has to be one.
    Its as idiotic as saying to the winner of a huge lottery - "why does it have to be you ? Therefore I don't believe you exist"
     
  2. Phil K

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    No it's not. It's as much following the lead of others as the idiotic religious brainwashed
     
  3. Greatest I am

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    True, but only if the powers that be think that particular minority is worthy of protection.

    Right?

    Murderers are a minority and the protection given them is jail and death depending on the state they are arrested in.

    Should the law of the land not by as enforced with tyrannical zeal?

    Damned right it should be. If it was not, you would cry like a baby.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    There is obviously more than one way. It just happens that the way Jesus spoke of is well known in the West.

    If people read the bible that is. His way is not really taught by the church. Why is that not surprising.

    Have you ever heard these quoted in any church?

    Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

    John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

    Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    Not likely, yet that is the way Jesus taught.

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  5. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Remember....you may not like the fact we were founded as a Judeo Christian Nation and murder is against the basic tenants of our morality making your analogy absurd. We are a Republic and the Law of the Land is governed by the three branches of government based on a Constitution. Sharia will never fly here even if the collective embraces it. Neither will out and out Socialism because we *individuals have a right to own property.
     
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    The U.S. was founded, FMPOV, by those who were escaping the Judeo Christian ideology and that is why the U.S. is not a theocracy.

    It is bad form to deflect to other issues while ignoring the ones at hand in previous posts.

    Since we are jumping all over the place. The Judeo Christian ideology is based on loving your neighbor and the Golden rule.

    Your lack of a decent health care system for your poor or sick neighbors show how far from the Judeo Christian ideology the U.S. is.

    Regards
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    Your knowledge of American History is severely lacking My ancestors fled the State and it's monopolization of Religion. Most of our founders were devout Christians with a few being Jewish. Learning from our lessons, most Americans, who do not desire to turn our religious liberty over to the state. likewise do not desire to turn our choice of Doctors or medical decisions over to the state either. Christian ideology is based on 1st loving God, then loving our neighbor. We do that as individuals, not pawns of the state. You need to get that right.
     
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    So you love your neighbor but only the ones close to you while not caring about the ones that are not close, which is what government run systems. They are all inclusive with love while uou only include a few neighbors.

    Think demographically and see how hypocritical your position is.

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    Accountability is where your ideology runs short. Treating everyone the same across a huge demographic leaves your charity ripe for exploitation. Actually, I don't believe it to be charity....it is the "state" extracting money from individuals at the ultimate point of a gun by way of force.
    People I don't know, I don't honestly know how to serve in their best interest. That greater mission can only be served by institutions that have common values with me. It is not government. I know how bureaucrats tend to line their pockets with the added greed of politicians.
     
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    So because you think there is corruption within the system, you will ignore your duty and pleasure of serving others. Ok.

    You do not seem to like government, and I don't blame you, but they are a necessary evil and in the case of health care, are the best around to help you help others, even if a few corrupt officials steal a personal gain.

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    DL
     
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    Here's another thought for you, Greatest. I take pretty darn good care of myself. So do a vast majority of my friends. We are like minded in several areas that keep us physically healthy. Most of us don't see a doctor but every two or three years. Why would you reward us by confiscating our rightfully earned living to sudbsidize those that mock our healthy habits? I know people that smoke a pack a day, live on junk food, and think their liver is an alcohol distillery. Why do I have to pay for their frequent medical visits, and even liver replacements?? Fact is, government doles out little presents to people they don't even know. In America, we had "Obama Phones". Every poor person get's a free phone. It was a billion dollar scam recently uncovered. Instead of "nanny state" giveaway programs" and redistribution techniques, why don't you work to teach young people to help their neighbors and be charitable? It is an attitude that can be taught. They can learn how to help someone in need if they take a "personal interest".

    Give a starving man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and it will feed him for a lifetime.
     
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    I hear you and you are pointing out how poorly your education system works, but that is irrelevant to your poorest and sickest who have not been properly educated.

    One of the biggest problems that the U.S. faces is obesity because your corporations have been hiding their dirty deeds of adding as much sugar, salt and oil to your diet with little to no regard for your health.

    I think they should be made to pay for that and the only way is through the tax system and that means a single payer system where they have to put some of those immoral profits back into the poor health they intentionally created.

    If not, you are letting those criminals off scot free.

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    So....who puts a gun to their head and makes them drink soda pop? Personally I think it is disgusting. Freedom of choice. Cigarettes used to be smoked even aboard jets. Attitudes can and will change. We have options. It would seem the poorer one is, the better he would eat. Why is it the poor eat so much expensive fast food, twinkies and such? Personally I eat a lot of home cooked Mexican food
     
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    Have you ever heard of the terms, peer pressure and social manipulation.

    Beef is the most damaging food we produce and eat when all factors are considered but you might have noted that almost no environmental watchdog organization will touch touch our collective sacred cows.

    The world has way too many sheeple and not enough goats with balls.

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    I don't need government to tell me how to eat. I do eat some beef but the red meat I most often eat is wild elk. There is nothing healthier. No fat, no steroids, I'm good. Most of the urban dwellers in America shun my way of life. They think eggs, milk and meat all come from a grocery store. Yet they want to tell me what is good for me and how they can redistribute my earnings.A lot of ranches here in Arizona raise only grass fed beef without steroids. I had one yuppie friend at a high school reunion tell me I should only eat gluten free. Talk about peer pressure and sheeple.. I have never been one to be part of fad diets. I do have a friend that has colitis and cannot tolerate gluten.
     
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    Man was not created to eat meat. Look at your teeth. Where are your canines?

    If you are interested in how we are screwing up our environment, and why beef is a major component of that assault on the garbage heap our children will inherit from us, look up the movie Cowspiracy.

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    DL
     
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    I am an omnivore. I have incisors. My eyes face forward because I was created to hunt my prey. If I was a "herbivore" my eyes would be on the side of my head so I could better detect my predators. Mankind has always eaten meat to a degree. It is the easiest and best source of protein. If it has four legs and can run fast.....it is quite healthy to eat. Fruits and vegetables as well as nuts and berries are extremely good too. I enjoy eating.
     
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    So do I, including a good steak. But to do so today, I have to recognize that collectively we are collectively damaging the planet to the point where it is becoming immoral to eat beef.

    Think of your children and grandchildren and do unto them.

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    DL
     
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    One can always tell those who are historically illiterate.
     
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    ??

    Your morality comes from your God. Your God is shown as using murder quite a bit if you consider genocide murder. Not to mention the murder of the first born of Egypt and the torture and murder of King David's baby.

    So is murder really against your God's moral tenant?

    How can it be when he does it so often?

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    If you're going to be ignorant, then expect to be called out as such.
     
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    Because you seem to be spiritually blind, you blame God. Sorry to level that at you but you will not acknowledge the circumstances that bring death into the picture in the first place. It was never God's plan, but because of love, and because of the "sovereign will" man enjoys....death has come into the picture. Death is not always murder by definition. If you create a painting that does not suit what you intended it to be, are you not entitled to remove it from your easel? You get your knowledge from scripture obviously but you refuse somehow to take in the whole of scripture and the Biblical account. God did not create divorce either. Does he get the blame for that too????...even in the light that God says He hates divorce?
     
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    You seem to be morally blind and I blame your God for that.

    So your God never planned to give man a free will. I am not surprised then that he murdered A & E when they did the right thing and followed their will to not stay as stupid as some theists today.

    I agree. But your genocidal son murderer murdered many innocent people, children and babies.

    Are you a lifeless painting? I am a person.

    I have some knowledge of the scriptures. Enough to know that the whole of scriptures are mostly myth and allegory and should not be read literally if one seeks to know what the ancients were trying to convey.

    There is almost nothing factual in the bible as proven by biblical historians and archeologists.

    Let no man put asunder.

    But you are correct God did not create divorce because there is no creator God.

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    Yes agreed. I am ignorant of your ways and do not expect to be enlightened by them.
     

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