John McCain diagnosed with brain cancer

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  1. APACHERAT

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    Neocons are stuck in the Cold War just like how the Democrats are still stuck in the counterculture 1960's.
     
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    Well, I am a neoconservative. (The term, "neocon," is highly pejorative; it is a bit like using the odious "N" word for an African-American.)

    And I am not certain just how one's reaction to John MaCain's tragic situation has anthing to do with "the Cold War."

    Anyway, less than 24 hours prior to the diagnosis, one poster--I do not remember if it was here, or in another political forum--declared that he hoped John McCain (and Lindsay Graham) would just die.

    Presumably, that was a hyperbolic remark.

    But anything so serious should not be uttered flippantly.

    I am guessing that this person feels rather bad now...
     
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    Nothing really wrong being a neoconservative. You now have a home in the GOP.

    Neocon phrase was first coined by the radical left who started calling themselves "The New Left" and slithered under the Democrat tent during the 1970's and started hiding behind the liberal label.

    During the 60's the Democrat liberal base was made up with a lot of neoconservatives. Liberals who were very patriotic and wanted to fight the Cold War and win.

    When the Democrat party got hijacked by leftist extremest during the 70's who also wanted to fight the Cold War but wanted the USSR to win not America most of the neoconservatives left the Democrat party and were welcomed by the GOP because they were anti communist.

    The only problem I have with neoconservatives is this liberal thing of always wanting regime changes and using the U.S. military for nation building like in Afghanistan, Iraq and now Syria.

    After 16 years I'm kinda tired of regime changes and going to war in the name of nation building.

    McCain, Graham are patriots and they have defended the Second Amendment, opposed legalizing buggery in the military and have always supported American soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen.
     
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    The careers of many people in the US that have tried to do the right thing have suffered since the 80's.
     
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    One of the few Senators on any side of the aisle that I respect.

    If I lived in Arizona he would have received my vote. Even if I do not agree we everything he supports he always seems to me to doing his best to serve with honor.

    IMHO his departure will be a blow to our country.
     
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    Oh man that was funny.
     
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    Clinton's brain was removed many years ago.
     
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    Yeah? Give us a list of Democrats in Congress with military records.
     
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    Have you already mourned Hitler? He is also a man. Your alleged logic says that he also deserves compassion. And I wonder do you mourn about the Vietnamese victims of McKein? Those who were killed under bombing or burned alive from napalm. Write about your sympathy. By the way, do not forget to cry about the fate of Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein. They are more worthy of regret....I despise hypocrites.
     
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    Wow.
     
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    McCain called for war with Russia. He kept shouting about the fact that America should inflict a pre-emptive nuclear strike and stop the "aggressive" Russia. Do you understand how that could have ended, such a desire for McCain?
    Are you ready to die for the political career of this idiot? And do you really think that a person who has a brain needs to worry about the fate of McCain?
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Veterans_Against_John_McCain
     
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    I hope he is reacieving the same treatment as Roy Pratt-King. The constituent he was supposed to be representing with the same disease, who he told to get stuffed. In other words I hope he received nil treatment and is left to suffer the same agonizing death.
     
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    According to the Duran, Donald Trump has fully shifted US policy in Syria away from arming and aiding Salafist/jihadist terrorist fighters, and is now allying exclusively with Kurdish forces.

    And you people thought McCain was too sick to blast Trump for stopping arms to terrorists.

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    Or McCain could resign his seat and have the governor appoint a temporary replacement till an election could be arranged.
     
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    There is a certain irony in the fact that McCain who was going to vote for the Better Case act which deprived millions of health insurance and cut Medicaid because the cost of the current system is too high is getting the absolutly best care at government expense.
     
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    If I were John, I would use this opportunity to have an honest and open public discussion about the state of the GOP. If he represents the truth express then let's hear him tell the truth for once in his public career. He can start with telling the truth about his blatant partisanship in regards to the stealing of a SCOTUS seat from President Obama. If one is dying, it makes sense to quit lying.
     
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    In a way. I recognised fact that he was a human too. Capable of all same things I am capable of, and vice versa.

    Which basically means - if we will be acting like heartless godless pieces of shιt we pretty much can end up doing things like ones that he did.

    And yes, in moment when he stood next to corpse of his own wife with a gun, preparing to splatter own brains over the wall - he deserved compassion.


    Humans are humans, and we must not forget that. We may like them, or not - we may not have sympathy for them - but we have to remember to have compassion towards them.
     
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    That was an excellent post!

    As regarding regime changes, you are entirely correct, in my opinion: That should be entirely eschewed. (There are some things that America, as a wealthy nation, can give others; but a desire for freedom and regime change are not among those things.)
     
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    I also read somewhere that his arm is not disabled from torture, but from improperly ejecting from his jet which caused his injuries.
     
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    I have a friend who had a had a friend who worked in the G.W. Bush (43) White House. Now this is just scuttlebutt and second hand information but before 9-11-01 maybe around April or May of 2001 I was told that Bush's agenda was regime change and nation building in Zimbabwe formerly Rhodesia and was going to use the U.S. military if he had too.

    I don't think G.W. Bush is a neoconservative but VP Dick Cheney is and G.W. Bush had a lot of neoconservatives in the White House but so did President Reagan.

    Reagan knew he couldn't win the Cold War without the neoconservatives being on board.

    I'm a conservative just a foot to the left of being a paleoconservative. My favorite neoconservative was Jean Kirkpatrick,(RIP) one of the last liberals to leave the Democrat party and as a neoconservative joined the GOP and became part of the second Reagan administration.

    Remember this famous speech ?

     
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    From the admirer of the thief Navalny, I did not expect another comment.
     

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