You are either against the white supremacists, or with them

There were only two sides here.

The racist side and those that opposed them.

Obviously we see which side both you and Trump support

 

Thank you for agreeing the criticisms here are nothing but blind, frothing hyper-partisanship.

 

You must be a real George W Bush fan, to use his words like that.

What is it that you admire about GWB?

 

Yes, I will fight for his freedom to be a fascist. Even if he will fight to take my freedom from me. But, yes, on a forum, or wherever I have a voice. I'm not going to go out and take his ass-whoopin' for him though. That's for him to absorb and savor.

You always take an inherent risk of ass-whoopin' if you participate in contentious demonstrations. By participating, you assume all risks, and that's all on you. It is the people's right to peacefully assemble and evangelize or protest.

It is the job of the police to facilitate that peaceful assembly, and to deal with any violence that erupts. For them to be withdrawn, and to comply with that withdrawal, is a dereliction of their duty, and a disservice by their elected officials. Investigations, if true, should be forthcoming.

 

Has Trump come out and publicly condemned armed robbers, pirates, rapists, arsonists, extortionists, people who don't return their library books? If he hasn't done so, does that mean he supports these activities?

Sorry, but your whole statement is fallacious. It's a typical false dilemma.

He is not destroying the foundations of America. People who want to equate Trump with Hitler are doing so. You are causing people to see Trump as a Hitler, and therefore everyone who voted for him or supports him as being the equivalent of a Hitler supporter, which is going to cause people to feel justified in committing acts of aggression against those people (they will see themselves as "fighting evil" or "resisting fascism"---just as ANTIFA does). Then the people who receive such acts of aggression will retaliate, and a cycle of violence will continue.

Your brand of dangerous rhetoric is going to turn this nation away from what it used to be--democrats and republics bickering over tax law and the like--and into something more like the Capulets vs. the Montagues. Or the Hatfields vs. the McCoys. The Jets vs. the Sharks.

How did those stories turn out for either side? I don't know why some people want to go there.

 

Germany might have to invade the US to deal with this nazi menace.

 

Germany's NAZI Merkel would never do so, but Germany doesn't fight anymore, not even in self defense.

 

Bless.

The excuse makers are all stuck on nazis right to assemble and believe their beliefs.

It's almost as though someone other than they have suggested otherwise.

Keep up that good fight for the rights they already presently enjoy!

Of course there's a move afoot to designate white supremacist orgs as terrorists so it might become illegal to offer support in any way.

That'd be a fun EO day.

 

You are too funny!

 

Well, no one on the left is calling out Antifa and BLM for throwing rocks, bottles, urine, and using mace.

 

Your metaphor is ridiculous! Roberts, pirates, rapists, arsonists, extortionists do not belong to organised hate groups wanting to intimidate people by carrying weapons and coming in militia gears to a "peaceful" rally, and they certainly do not run down peaceful counter protesters with a car!

You don't like the whole of America pointing finger to the KKK, the neo-nazis, the White Supremacists? You don't like the orange man in the White House being criticised for not "calling a spade a spade?" Well. . .tough luck!

It will not stop here!

 

They were defending themselves. You don't like it? too bad!

The time to take your Sh. . .and remain silent is over.

 

LOL, sure thing. Still not accepting eye witness accounts I see but only hysterical left wing narratives.

 

But he did, just apparently not by name soon enough.

 

I wasn't aware that only organized hate groups can be condemned. Where is that written? Trump is being condemned for not publicly coming out saying "White supremacy is bad." People are using that as "proof" that he thinks it is okay. That is a false dilemma fallacy ("Either you publicly come out and say such-and-such is bad or you are wholeheartedly in support of it!"). I gave examples (not a metaphor) of other things people believe are wrong, yet we don't say that unless a person publicly condemns those things then they are considered to be in support of them. This is an assumption in which a person is declared guilty until proven innocent.

The burden of proof is on the accuser. At least that's how it used to be. Perhaps we're going to go inquisition on people in this country. Racism is the new heresy.

There are many hate groups on this planet. I'm sure Trump has not publicly condemned them all. I see no reason to assume he supports them until he comes out and says they are bad. He has said IN THE PAST that racism is bad. Period.

Nice strawman. When did I say I don't like Americans pointing the finger at the KKK? Point all you want. I don't like the KKK anymore than anyone else does. But don't assume someone is a member of the KKK without evidence. And your evidence has to be more that feelings, intuition, failure to vote democrat, or Trump's failure to say the right words at the right time in the right way with the right body language, etc. etc. etc.

Some of you libs are like the inquisition; you sniff heresy, I mean racism, EVERYWHERE!

 

If I feel absolutely no fraternity for a white progressive, what in hell would make you think I or any other red-blooded American would feel anything near that for a Nazi?

I'm a content of character guy. I'm not a color of skin guy. You should do likewise.

 

Apparently as long as they believe in God, it's OK. Hey look, an altar boy!

 

Beliefs do not have to be based in fact. They can be based in faith. Your desire to condemn one for a belief in God is unnecessary and unwelcome.

 

Rational ones do. And thinking one person is better than another based on skin pigmentation does not appear rational to this observer.

Certainly people are free to believe whatever they wish. That does not make the belief rational.

I'm not sure I did that? Please elaborate.

 

Defending themselves? With urine? Wait what?

 

IMHO someone hating another group for what ever reason and voicing that hate should be tolerated. If not we head down a road where the government decides what is okay to say in public.

I also believe if you feel strongly enough that those people are wrong you can counter protest. I also believe you should if you have the means and opportunity.

I personally think it is a really bad sign that groups like the KKK feel embolden and think they have an ally in the WH.

We fought a war in the 40's and fight one now in Afghanistan, Iraq and other places around the world against people like some of those in the alt-right. Why not fight them here? By fight I mean voicing objections to their ideology not assaulting them. Unless of course it is in self defense.

I also acknowledge there are those who are radical extremist on the left. That they are just as bad as the radical extremist on the right.

The above being said if I am to choose a side for what happened I would give my support to those not holding Nazi and Confederate flags and not members of organizations like the KKK.

 

Agreed.

Agreed.

Perhaps I misunderstood your post. Do you find a belief in God rational?

 

My but you seem willing to make this a binary issue to justify support of a crappy organization like antiFA.

I find both equally distasteful, but only one of them with any political capital making them a threat.

And it ain't the Nazis. They're universally reviled, and have no ally in media.

 

Wrong.

it is precisely that attitude which led to the rise of these people in the first place.

White people are justifiably sick of being told that they are responsible for all that is bad. They are sick of being called racist for opposing affirmative action or BLM. They are sick of being blamed for slavery or of being called racism when they point out that slavery existed everywhere and whites ended it so get over it.

White supremacy is a stupid and bad belief system but it did not re emerge from no where it is a backlash which was caused by the left.

Both sides bear responsibility.