Conservatives should unite

So you admit the other poster was wrong when they said that all Trump has signed were EO's.

That was the point.

More liberal lies debunked.

 

Unfortunately, I cannot and if I could, I would take steps to keep them all from happening.

The potential that lies in green energy for America. The jobs for all the worker ants of America, the thousands of them, in with the new and out with the old. In with the green energy sector, and call it quits on coal. If Trump focused as much as half on green energy as he does coal, maybe he could do something right for once to put the US in the right direction.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with you here. I too think that it's good to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, however I am just wondering who is going to determine whether someone is truly mentally ill. Most likely, if people like you have your way, you are going to assign this role to the government. And there is nothing preventing them from coming up with bogus disorders to keep guns out of the political dissenters. I am sure you have heard of the oppositional defiant disorder, which I think is BS. And who is to prevent the government from coming up with variants of this bogus disorder so as to disarm people who defy the government in some way?

Another group that might be targeted are the racists. There have been efforts to paint racism as some form of mental illness.

 

No they aren't.

Where do you guys get this nonsense from?

 

A progressive looks to benefit the human condition through economical, political, social and environmental causes. Conservatives just want things to be the way they are, that's why they are called conservatives.

 

Sorry, I shouldn't have been so vague.

I was pointing out that the poster 'Bridget' was giving reasons for all non-leftists to come together to support Trump. Including those conservatives as both you and 'Bridget' noted.

I guess that my point was clouded by me just making reference to the lack of need to convince Trump supporters to support Trump. I shouldn't have left out the follow-up conclusion that 'Bridget' was talking to conservatives who do not support Trump and was giving them a reason to do so.

 

Moving it forward is subjective.

Unless you are claiming that only you know the right path.

 

And those have failed in the courts, or will be of such the Democratic successor will have to undo.

EOs are not necessary always a good thing. You say it as if it is.

 

A progressive wants to change things that aren't broken.

Conservatives realize what works and is fine with it.

 

That wasn't the point of my response.

I was pointing out someone's lies.

Trump has signed more than just EO's.

So quit distracting.

 

I don't think mental health evaluation clearings to get a gun is too far of a stretch, don't you? James Holmes got his guns legally, yet he was sick in the head. Had we had the government put some sort of mental health evaluation clearing system in place, maybe what he did would not have happened.

 

Sorry if wanting to make the LGBT Community welcome in America is too extreme for you, or wanting to put the dark side of America away to rest by taking down the Confederate statues. One of the main problems with conservatives is they don't think forwards, they simply just say, "Okay, this is what works. Let's do this for generations.'" Conservatives are not forward thinkers.

 

This is why I said "I don't necessarily disagree with you". I think mental health evaluation clearings can be good, however there is no consensus on what constitutes mental illness in some cases. For example, I personally don't think oppositional defiant disorder is a real disorder. And I also don't think racism is a mental illness. However, some people might disagree with these views vehemently. So who should we listen to?

 

Fossil-fuel consumption subsidies were $409 billion in 2010, oil products being half of it. Renewable-energy subsidies were $66 billion in 2010 and will reach $250 billion by 2035, according to IEA

Global fossil fuel subsidies represented 6.5% of global GDP in 2015.[3] The elimination of these subsidies is widely seen as one of the most effective ways of reducing global carbon emissions.[3][4][5]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_subsidies

This stuff is quite widely known unless your only source of information is right wing news blogs or talk shows.

 

Change is not always progress.

 

What is the cost to put solar panels on your roof?

Is it cheaper?

Do you have an extra 20,000 laying around to do that?

 

Well said and I agree with this 100%.

 

I could depending where I live, but this is in regards to the US energy, not individuals. Nice deflection, though

 

So you basically want the government to pay for people to have green energy.

 

Sure, they pay for us to have fossil fuels for energy.

 

Like I said, I can pay 20k to put solar panels on my house, the government would give me back 5 of that.

I pay 40 dollars for my electric bill I would pay 35 with the panels.

Its not worth it.

The government does not pay me anything to fill up my car with gas.

They don't pay my electric bill.

What exactly are they subsidizing that benefits me?

 

I've never voted Democrat. I have sometimes voted for a Republican.
This thread is about republicans. Stay on track white Aryan nationalist. Thats what wan stands for right? And maybe keep it to yourself next time yeah?

 

Conservative hysterics. A majority of statues removed are occurring in red states so that means they are going along with it.

 

Great thread. I've been reading the Newt Gingrich book To Save America. Speaker Gingrich begins the book by making the following statement:

Overall, the fundamental definition of what it means to be American is being undermined and distorted by the values, attitudes, and actions of the secular-socialist machine.

The fundamental difference between historic American ideals and those of the secular-socialist Left can be seen in ten conflicting values:

1. Work versus theft
2. Productivity versus union work rules and bureaucracy
3. Elected representation versus bureaucrats and judges
4. Honesty versus corruption
5. Low taxes with limited government versus high taxes with big government
6. Private property versus government controls
7. Localism versus Washington control
8. American energy versus environmental extremism
9. Conflict resolution versus litigation
10. Religious belief versus secular oppression

Any one of these conflicts represents clashing values on the most basic level. Taken collectively, they indicate two irreconcilable worldviews that, in the long run, cannot coexist in the American system. Eventually one of these value systems will defeat and replace the other -- and that time will come sooner rather than later. If we lose this struggle, the America of our fathers and forefathers will be forever lost, giving way to a secular-socialist machine that will never relinquish power of its own accord.​

That in a nutshell is the struggle we find ourselves in right now...

Exactly. Who provides the money and how that's done, that is a secondary concern.

Those communities terrorized by the MS-13 gang might express a slightly different opinion.

I think what many find too extreme is the notion that a man should be allowed to decide that he needs to use the women's bathroom. That is a bit too extreme...

Yes. Change need not represent progress. Of course, there are those who insist that progressives are the only ones capable of determining when progress is being made, the only ones capable of knowing what progress looks like.

 

she must really hate Trump then if she is tired of politicians and lie and cheat