What does Bannon's departure really mean for Trump supporters?

Racist, nazi,misogynistic, xenophobic, shall I go on?

 

Oh, yes, I do. it has been explained to me because for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would be stupid enough to vote for Trump.

One Trump fan told me this. "Trump has sold out to the Swamp on too many issues, such as Afghanistan, raining missiles on Syria, and pretty much the same ole RepubloCratic, Clinton - Bush - Obama foreign policy.
War we must. That wasn't the Trump I supported as I could not vote for Bernie."

This Trump fan was speaking for all Trump fans when he said this. "Republican lawmakers are cowards and incompetent. Of course they are freaking out. We elected trump to counter those losers. The generals are doing just fine, except for those looking to land a comfortable politician gig in the near future. They are a bit panicked because trump is upsetting the status quo.

"Trump is doing exactly what we elected him to do. All of Washington should panic. The status quo is being destroyed."

There you have it. I am an expert on Trump fans.

 

Better yet, why don't you tell me in your words why people supported Trump. I'm dying to know.

Why did you make that past tense?

 

No just posting words doesn't cut it. You have to demonstrate they are being misused. That open borders has been misused has been proven repeatedly by the more ignorant Republican posters on this forum. Now I will admit Racist has been misused by many morons on both sides who obviously never learned the meaning of thevword race race but xenophobic, nazi, and misogynists have pretty much been used correctly,

 

A lot of people supported Trump because they were foolish enough to believe that Trump was going to improve the condition of the Lower and middle classes. Amazing that anyone still believes that after the Trump tax proposals and the proposed budget but if they were gullible enough to believe in the first place I guess they are invested and nowhere else to go. And that is not to discount the fact that the Democratic candidate was about as appealing as week old fish which certainly helped Trump.

And past tense is just a recognition that the more intelligent Trump voters are beginning to realize they have been had as demonstrated by his sinking poll numbers.

 

Let's just say I don't consider you to be the best judge of being the word smith around here.

 

Wordsmith is a single word.

 

Thought it might be

 

The minuscule group of "swing voters" that facilitated his razor thin margins in MI, WI, and PA would vote differently if they had a chance to do it over.

The fact is, even some (comparatively) "intelligent" voters that voted for Trump were duped into thinking that Trump would actually get some things done and "act Presidential".

They were obviously mistaken. Trump has been a horrifically bitter disappointment to those swing voters who "took a chance" on him (because they couldn't stomach Clinton).

In the end, those swing voters ended up voting against their interests.

But, we can't rerun the election.

So, those people (the swing voters that went for Trump) have to live with the fact that they facilitated the ongoing Trump Trainwreck (and that they effed up majority).

Still, even with that egregious mistake on their conscience, I am sure that they probably sleep better than Hillary Clinton.

 

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We weren't talking about skilled use of words. The discussion was misuse of words which you have resoundingly demonstrated by your improper use of wordsmith.

 

I'm still holding out hope that Merwen will answer the question.

Your answer fits with my take on current Trump supporters. There are less and less of them on the anti-Trump threads. They are not defending their voting decision. They are ducking for cover, not wanting to admit they were wrong.

 

We have all heard of B.S. The other day Bannon was full of B.S. Dismissed by Trump, he is trying hard to make himself relevant.

Speaking of Trump, Bannon said, "We will never turn on him. But we are never going to let him take a decision that hurts him." How can Bannon prevent any decision by the President? Bannon doesn't explain that part.

More B.S. as Business Insider reported, "Bannon has already followed through on this promise, with Breitbart blasting Trump's decision this week to extend the US military presence in Afghanistan, calling the move a "flip-flop" that would not sit well with Trump's base. Bannon said that Breitbart will support the president "the harder he pushes" on the anti-immigration, nationalist, so-called "America First" policies he campaigned on."

"I am an ideologue, that's why I am out," Bannon said. "I can rally the base, have his back. The harder he pushes, the more we will be there for him."

Business Insider continued, "While Bannon's departure from the White House last week was widely viewed as a blow to his personal agenda, Bannon insisted that his influence over the direction of the country will be bolstered by his position as an outside critic and proponent of the administration."

So, how many followers does Breitbart have? I am a news junkie. Prior to Bannon joining Trump's election team, I had never heard of Breitbart.

 

The Baltimore Post-Examiner reported on April 14 that Trump was already rejecting his "American First" promise to his base. The paper asked, "Is the Trump administration shifting toward a more globalist foreign policy?"

Then the paper answered it's own question. "Recent troubles began with Trump’s demotion of America First cheerleader White House Chief Strategist Steven Bannon from the National Security team. That decision set off a firestorm among conservatives such as Ann Coulter who voted for Trump because he promised to fix domestic problems as opposed to being the world’s police officer."

Coulter tweeted in April, "Trump campaigned on not getting involved in Mideast. Said it always helps our enemies & creates more refugees. Then he saw a picture on TV."

Coulter was a bit agitated because Trump had attacked Syria with cruise missiles. He then dropped the largest non-nuclear bomb in our inventory on Afghanistan, and experts are still puzzled as to why he did that.

Currently, his son-in-law and chief advisor, Jared Kushner, is in the Middle East trying to arrange a peace between Netanyahu and Abbas. That's a tall order for a Middle East neophyte. It is a tall order for a highly experienced diplomat. It has not happened in 70 years and twelve administrations ago, but Trump is trying and he prefers family in such matters.

The Trump administration is giving "strong indications" that it is preparing a case to decertify Iran's compliance with the international nuclear agreement, an expert says. If that happens, analysts believe it risks alienating U.S. allies. In addition to the United States and Iran, the 2015 nuclear agreement was signed by Britain, France, Germany, Russia, China and the United Nations. If that happens, Iran says it will quickly weaponize its nuclear stockpile.

He has threatened to send troops to Venezuela to straighten out their government.

He is sending more troops to Afghanistan to straighten out their government.

On Monday, in his Afghan speech, Trump declared, "We are not nation building again." He can be very amusing sometimes.

Is it possible that he could deliver one whole speech without lying?

More importantly, is his base getting tired of being lied to. One has to wonder why they keep supporting him.

 

I suspect a lot of people are sorry they voted for Trump and most don't want to admit it.

 

Gary Cohn, ex president of Goldman Sachs and Trump's "advisor", just made a statement praising antifas as "standing up for equality and freedom", and condemning Trump's reaction to Charlottesville, who blamed all sides equally, as being supportive of fascism (which it wasn't). So since he's come out in direct contradiction with Trump's political line, and he's supposed to be in his party helping him, is he going to resign? Of course not! He's going to be running things with his globalist buddies, pushing his neocon agenda on Syria and Afghanistan, and working to undermine Trump from the inside and/or join the virtue signalling "impeach" crowd.

You correctly identify that there's some lying and betrayal going on, but it's not from the person you're thinking.

 

Provide a source for that. You just made that up.

Yes, Trump blamed both sides equally. Charlottesville was invaded by heavily armed KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists on Friday night. On Saturday townspeople like Heather Heyer tried to defend their city. Heyer was murdered by a white supremacist and 16 other townspeople were injured. Trump placed blame on the townspeople defending the neighborhoods.

I placed blame exactly where it belonged.

Cohn is a Democrat.

 

The Guardian. Is that good enough?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...rump-criticism-economic-chief-charlottesville

“Citizens standing up for equality and freedom can never be equated with white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and the KKK,” - Gary Cohn

 

We'll just equate them with the intolerant commie Stalinists that they are.

 

So if Trump has returned to his roots of being a democrat then why are all the Democrats still crying about Trump being in office.

I got what I wanted out him winning already, hoping it leads to people voting 3rd party and seeing the system as the fraud that it is. If not oh well I guess the show will go on and I can both laugh and cry at CNN calling for peace though violence and the NYT calling for the end of free speech. Yeah it would be funny as heck if I didn't live in the US but I do so what's likely going to happen isn't good at all.

It's funny some people blame Trump for the state of the US, when really the cold hard truth is that our culture is what truly enabled him. It's a culture of rebellion and a culture that has been dumbed down by the same news and entertainment media that is now complaining that people actually voted for a reality TV star when that is all they flooded our youth with. Because it's not like the public school system has a great track record and parents don't like actually doing that parenting teaching thing any more due to having both parents work or only having one parent that works two jobs.

The cold hard truth is liberals have a whole lot to do with why Trump won, they mostly control the public school system, news media and entertainment media. They could be producing much deeper thought provoking content but most in media choose not to do so and the public schools keep dumbing things down to make sure students just pass than to actually make them think deeply and fail every now and then so they might feel the need to put effort in there work.

Bannon had some ideas that I supported but I don't care for his news site that much.

 

You said, "Gary Cohn, ex president of Goldman Sachs and Trump's "advisor", just made a statement praising antifas as "standing up for equality and freedom.'"

I asked for a source and said you made it up, a euphemism for lying. You then provided the source and proved you lied.

Cohn said, "Citizens standing up for equality and freedom can never be equated with white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and the KKK. As a Jewish American, I will not allow neo-Nazis ranting ‘Jews will not replace us’ to cause this Jew to leave his job. I feel deep empathy for all who have been targeted by these hate groups. We must all unite together against them."

Cohn said nothing about antifa. He was talking about the townspeople who stood up to the heavily armed KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists. Townspeople like Heather Heyer who was murdered by a white supremacist. You lied.

You learned from the master, the liar-in-chief. Trump says whatever is convenient for him and truth can go to hell.

"Citizens." Cohn was talking about the citizens of Charlottesville, not the small number of antifa who came from someplace else. You are as bad as Trump. I'm guessing you are a white supremacist.

 

Because he is making a mockery of government. Because he is divisive. Every chance he gets to provide unity in this country, he provides disunity instead. When given a chance to label the KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists for what they are, he proved himself to be a bigoted, white nationalist. When given a chance to bring this country together in 500-year storm, he used it as a cover for controversial decisions after he left the White House for the weekend. Instead of being a uniter, he prefers to be a jerk.

Yes, I know. People who voted for Trump didn't send him to Washington to govern. They sent him to Washington to create chaos in the federal government. In that respect, they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.

Aw, the culture crap. This is what Trump voters use to excuse their poor decision on Nov. 8th. It beats admitting they are wrong. They blame our culture for their mistake.

You are right and wrong. The Dem's defeat was not caused by our school system or the media. The Dems lost because they nominated Clinton. It was their election to win, but they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

I love it when people who are calmly explained why they're wrong end up aggressively accusing others of lies and dishonesty in a "gotcha" tone, like this somehow makes them factually correct. Triggered much?

Cohn's statement was in response to Trump's statement blaming both sides.



Trump's statement condemned both sides, namely the "alt-right" (meaning the white nationalists), and the "alt-left" (meaning the antifas with bats) for hate and violence. The above video completely proves that statement.

Trump only condemned what he called the "alt-left", namely the violent, hateful counterprotesters.

Cohn defended the entire counter-protest movement against Trump's statement. This means that, since Trump only blamed the violent antifas, Cohn defended the violent antifas. Otherwise, he'd have no problem with what Trump said.

Trump in his speech equated the violent bat-wielders with white supremacists. So Cohn, by saying that "they can never be equated with white supremacists" ended up defending the violent bat-wielders as "standing up for equality and freedom".

Completely baseless claim. Citizen just means American citizen.

Besides Trump never blamed the Charlottesville inhabitants, so what did Cohn defend them from exactly?

I take that as a compliment from people like you. Orange pride.

Of course I am. I want to gas 6 trillion Jews and wipe out all the other races. White power!

But at least I don't make up fake news. I have morals.

 

The government should have been mocked a long freaking time ago, because it's so full of corruption. He did label the KKK, Nazis and White Supremacist as bad but people are nit picking I guess on this because it gives them a vent on there hate. Yeah he is a jerk and won't unite the US same could be said for Obama or Bush or Clinton or any of the others. Is he the worst maybe so but it fits the pattern of decline the US has seen over the past 40 years in morality.

Washington can't be governed in the state it was/is degrading to. The two party system can't last when they are so unwilling to work together. It's been going this way for years, Trump just high lighted the issue with help from the doom selling MSM.

I am not blaming culture on why I voted the way I did, just pointing out some of the factors that include culture and who mainly drives it. (Hint it's not the right wing.)

20 years ago a man like Trump could not have even hoped to win with his Reality TV personality. But thanks to the media and low standards of a school system people changed somehow and voted for Trump in spite of his fowl mouth. Then again Hillary would have been cast out quickly as well. To me it seems you don't want to address this because maybe the truth stings a little too much for you.

 

Question: "I'm guessing you are a white supremacist." Your answer, "Of course, I am."

Please look at this picture carefully. This is a group of white supremacists, members of KKK, and neo-Nazis marching on the campus of the U of V on Friday.



Now watch this video showing this heavily armed bunch marching down a street in Charlottesville the next day.

https://twitter.com/_CraigStanley/status/896349016929206272

On Saturday, Trump blamed all sides for the violence in Charlottesville despite the invasion of heavily armed protesters. By not naming the true enemy, the President received condemnation from every quarter. Pressured by Republican leadership, his own advisors, even members of his own family, three days later Trump finally relented and named America's enemy.

"Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans," Trump said in a statement to reporters at the White House on Monday.

Later, he undid all of that. He told reporters he really didn't mean what he said Monday. He meant what he said on Saturday. That all sides were to blame for the carnage in Charlottesville despite the fact that most of the counter protesters were like Heather Heyer who was killed by a white supremacist. They were the home folks. They lived in Charlottesville and they resented the armed invasion of bigoted intruders.. Trump blamed them anyway.

At Trump Tower in Manhattan Trump angrily defended himself against criticism that he did not specifically condemn Nazi and white supremacist groups following the weekend’s deadly racial unrest in Virginia, and at one point questioned whether the movement to pull down statues of Confederate leaders would escalate to the desecration of George Washington.

“Many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee,” Mr. Trump said. “This week, it is Robert E. Lee and this week, Stonewall Jackson. Is it George Washington next? You have to ask yourself, where does it stop?” he said, noting that the first American President had owned slaves. Lee and Jackson fought for the Confederacy, a rebellion against our Constitution. This is Trump's idea of getting all the facts before commenting.

"I think there's blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it," Trump said. "You had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent," he added. "No one wants to say that, but I’ll say it right now: You had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit and they were very, very violent.”

So, in Trump's view, the townspeople who were defending their city are as guilty as the heavily armed neo-Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists.

David Duke, a former Ku Klux Klan leader, praised Trump’s comments as a condemnation of “leftist terrorists.”

“Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville,”

Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Republican of Florida. “Back to relativism when dealing with KKK, Nazi sympathizers, white supremacists? Just no.”

One by one, Republicans distanced themselves over the weekend from Trump's comments that blamed both sides for the violence in Charlottesville, Va.

On Tuesday, they had to do it all over again.

Senator Mark Warner of Virginia said it best. "No words," he tweeted.

Heavily armed KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists invaded Charlottesville, not Antifa.

 

Yes, on a Monday, Trump blamed the KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists. Then, on Tuesday, in a rant that caused members of his own party to desert him, he took all back, and blamed both sides just as he had done the previous Saturday.

"I think there's blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it," Trump said. "You had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent," he added. "No one wants to say that, but I’ll say it right now: You had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit and they were very, very violent.”

So, in Trump's view, the townspeople who were defending their city are as guilty as the heavily armed neo-Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists who invaded their city.

David Duke, a former Ku Klux Klan leader, praised Trump’s comments as a condemnation of “leftist terrorists.”

“Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville.”

Then you fall in line with many Trump supporters these days. Finally, you are admitting, "Yeah he is a jerk and won't unite the US." You then describe a disingenuous theory that Trump is simply a part of a long line of Presidents who were jerks, Clinton, Bush, and Obama.

You sound like the perfect kind of loser, the kind of loser who would vote for Trump. The country is going to hell in a hand basket, according to you, so I am going to vote for this jerk because our country deserves it.

That kind of pessimistic view of America is being presented by a lot of Trump supporters these days. Now why is that? They are losers to begin with, so, they voted for a loser because our country is a loser.

You have my sympathies. I cannot picture thinking the way you do. It has to be awful.