Austria's 'Burqa Ban' law comes into force

Good point. That is one small piece of land where women are equally valued. Looking at the surrounding area, why would anyone want that culture in their civilized society? If they want to wear burkas, stone their women to death for being raped, commit honor killings, etc, there is no shortage of territory for those primitive activities. Try insisting one of the muslim-controlled countries accept your freedom of expression/religion.

 

Religions have already enough exceptions with law. Only a religious book can call to murder and legitimate wife beating without being sentenced and disappear of most library.

Islamic scarf is not a simple scarf, it's the symbol of an ideology who consider women as pet, the quran said about women :
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
Source : Quran.com

And mainly, School is not the place for spreading your religion.

 

For now it depends how you define "occupied". But in future it will be, that is a mathematical certainty.

 

Yes, it should. Masks obstruct face recognition and that is dangerous.

If you live in Alaska, i don't know.

 

Maybe this will make Austria a less attractive place for religious zealots from the third world.

 

I actually oppose this. Radical Muslims are voluntarily signaling to the rest of society "I'm not like you, and I don't want to fit in among you", and we are forcing them to not do this? Now they fit in better, and people are less likely to identify them?

 

I agree that school is not the place for spreading religion. This is why public school and being out in public are two different things.

I also understand that an Islamic scarf (the Burka in particular) has meaning - It is an expression of hate for individual liberty
Given that the principle on which this nation was founded (and western democracy in general) is respect for individual liberty, people that have no respect for individual liberty - to the point where this is pretty much printed on their foreheads - should have never been let to be a citizen of a western democracy to begin with.

A person who was born here (or is a citizen) however has freedom of expression because our society respects individual liberty.

Belief in freedom of speech/expression is not belief in freedom only for things you agree with - everyone believes in that. If you only believe in freedom for things you agree with then you do not believe in freedom at all.

Belief in freedom of expression is belief in the freedom for people to express ideas that you disagree with.

What you are missing is that there is a slippery slope here. It is hypocrisy and contradiction of a sort ban individual liberty on the basis of upholding individual liberty.

I think there is a good argument that can be made for getting rid of the Burka... but, yours is not one of them.

 

Freedom have a limit, respect of other people, Islam don't respect other people.

 

I live in the Mid-Atlantic. There are only a handful of times I wear the mask each year, but when I have to walk a mile in single-digit windchills, it's a big help. As someone who doesn't drive, and works late at night, I do a lot of walking no matter what the weather is like. Why should that be against the law?

So far I have not had any police officers care or really even notice when I'm wearing the mask. But then again, I live in the USA where we aren't putting restrictions on how people dress.

 

I am conflicted on this one, I agree it's a security risk, but I also support religious freedom, it's a tough one to grapple with, so far I lean towards the religious freedom, but if terrorists started using it to commit terrorism, I may change my mind

 

that is no more true then sayign Christians don't respect other people, most of both religions respect other people, a few of both do not

 

I also like camera's in public places, I also think cops should all have copcams...

they may not bring you justice at the time, but they can help you get justice afterwards and prevent someone else from having the same happen to them

most cities have cameras on most stoplights now, if a crime occurs they can scan these for potential suspects license plates

 

I do as well, but I take it off before I go into a bank, store, ect... as I am considerate of the people around me

most American Muslims do not wear full face outfits, some do wear the open face outfits like nuns do

it's kinda like the Christian kkk outfit, we do not outlaw it, but most would feel uncomfortable around a group of people wearing it - (not comparing Muslim women to those wearing the kkk outfit, just it's the only full face covering I could think of to compare)

 

Please provide a definition of occupied that applies to Europe then.
Really, can you supply evidence that it is a mathematical certainty? I think you are unaware of what a mathematical certainty is.

 

I do the same.

I have a few Muslim customers at my store who fully cover their faces. I have no issue with it, though it seems to make some customers a bit antsy. Also have seen some black guys on the bus who I believe are in the Nation Of Islam. I'm white but so far they haven't bothered me.

I'd rather not see the KKK outfit, but I wouldn't try to stop anyone from wearing it.

 

In France, their is "diversity" district (by diversity district it mean that almost all white or asian people fled them) were women who wear a skirt are harassed, where women aren't accepted when wearing a skirt and where non veiled women have to stay discreet.
Here is the "respect", their is no such christian district.

In the world, christian countries are where religious diversity and freedom of cult are the most respected, in Morroco, if you try to convert a muslim, you can go in prison, in Pakistan, a christian is sentenced to death for blasphemy against the prophet; in Saudi Arabia non christian can practice their religion. Here is the respect in Islam. Are they deviant ? No, they're just doing what the quran say.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

Islam is a worldwide sectarian cult.

 

The problem is that it's not freedom to be forced to do things by an all-powerful god who can torture you forever if you don't do what he says.

Banning the veil is not restricting freedom. It's just replacing religious coercion "wear that veil or burn forever" by secular coercion "take off that veil or pay a fine". The total amount of coercion remains the same.

 

Prefer we just ban the cult of islam.

Then we don't have this dress code problem.

At the end of the day, muslim clothes for women are a violation of woman's human rights and an utter eyesore to everyone else.

Sheets are for your bed, not your body, or head.

 

I disagree, banning their religion would be a human rights issue, everyone should be able to choose their religion for themselves

 

Disagree.

islam is not a religion, anymore them scientology is.
The right to believe in murder and women abuse is not a human right.

Its an atrocity, and evil, end of discussion.

They are both evil cults of control, so is all forms of Christianity.

Some are just worse the others.

Everything about islam is an affront to humanity in general.

It seeks to subvert or destroy all, by force, as stated in their book.

They are doing a fine job so far, and some people are letting them and aiding them.

Death to ALL cults!

 

Islam is a religion, Christian is a religion

bad people belong to religions, but so do good people

if everyone was Artiest, bad people would still exist, I am not naive enough to believe they would not, anymore then I believe if everyone believed in a God they would be good

 

Birth rate double ethnic European birth rate.

Kept it easy for you.

 

Simply wrong, not a mathematical certainty at all, as you know.

 

Do not know the population of Muslims in Austria but it would be an amusing if a few thousand women would show up in front of their parliament to be arrested and to keep doing so.

Hell they do not even need to be muslim women just women who care to support the freedom of all women to peacefully follow their religion even with a parliament that seems full of male bigots.

footnote I am an out and out atheist that happen to still believe in the right to follow any religion in a peaceful manner.

 

Is there anything more hilarious than someone complaining islam/muslims are being persecuted? Read/watch something besides the NYT or MSNBC and you might learn how muslims are treating non-muslims in their countries.