When The Russian Hoax Is Exposed, Should The Democrats Be Held Accountable?

But as you can see from this thread, the narrative must be preserved over everything.

 

Well you quoted me saying that the 17 agencies did not independently come to the conclusion, and then you used that quote to say that it was strange that I would not disavow the earlier post I made.

I never said that the 17 agencies independently came to the conclusion, and you now seem to be admitting that I never said such a thing.. so what is your point now.. why do I need to disavow my post if we both know that I never said that the 17 agencies independently came to the conclusion?

 

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Oh Yes!!, the Lie that the Progressives launched must be kept alive no matter how much of a lie it is. But the facts and the truth must be buried deep no matter the consequences and damage to National Security.

 

You are a sad case, lying about something I never said.

 

No I get it, you did not say that I said the 17 agencies independently came to the conclusion (unless of course you're now saying otherwise). Unlike you I only need these things explained once, but what I am asking is if you and I both know that I never stated that the 17 agencies independently came to the conclusion, then why would I need to disavow the prior post you keep quoting?

 

If you know say that you know I didn't say that, why did you claim I said that?

 

Because your post in #822 initially lead me to believe that was what you were suggesting

You have since then clarified that it wasn't your intentions to suggest that I said that the 17 agencies independently came to the conclusion. If that is the case, then I made a mistake, but my question for you is if we both know that I never said that the 17 agencies independently came to the conclusion, why would I need to disavow the prior post you keep quoting?

 

Yet you ignored #824 to continue the narrative...

Well I never said that you said that "17 agencies independently came to the conclusion." So I assumed that was just part of your months long filibuster on the topic. The question has always been though, if in fact you acknowledge that 17 intelligence agencies didn't come to that conclusion, why is it so difficult to disavow your statement:

"We have 17 different intelligence agencies who are saying that Russia was attempting to interfere with our elections"

The above quoted statement is wrong. So it's mind boggling to me that you are trying to parse that although you don't think 17 intelligence agencies independently came to that conclusion, 17 different intelligence agencies did!

That's just ridiculous.

 

Sure, right after The Republicans getting exposed for Benghazi

 

Wouldn't they have to turn to CNN weren't they the ones that started that rumor? I remember watching the Veritas tapes.

 

The statement regarding the 17 agencies is not wrong, the Director of National Intelligence is the head of the USIC, and with that position he carries the authority to speak on behalf of the 17 different agencies, which is exactly what he did in his October statement. Basically, what I am telling you is the same exact conclusion that the fact checkers have come to, it is not wrong.

 

So you are going to continue your filibuster by arguing both that 17 intelligence agencies didn't independently come to that conclusion but that 17 different intelligence agencies did.

This is amazing what lengths you'll go to! This thread should go into a museum!

 

17 different intelligence agencies are represented through the Director of National Intelligence's statement, who is the head of the particular federation that those 17 agencies are a part of. It's like if the president made a statement on behalf of the United States, that statement would represent 50 different states, however that would not mean that the 50 states independently made the statement. You can try to make this sound like an outlandish concept all you like, but there's a reason why I have fact checkers to back me up and you do not.

 

Probably, but it wont. Doesnt matter. This debacle, coupled with Antifa and the wholesale rejection of progressive socialism in the US has left the Dem Party nothing but a coastal, elitist shell.

They'll be back to bombing police stations for attention in short order.

 

lol you were wrong

 

The more the Russian and Trump trolls attempt to discredit and impede the investigation, including the flooding of boards, etc., the more the American people will wake up to the realization that the fascist and conservative enemies of America are trying to tear her down.

 

Former Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos pleads guilty to lying to FBI agents in Mueller probe

Court papers: Former Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos pleads guilty to lying to FBI agents in Mueller probe.



Read more: https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/925005966445371392


If you don't remember the name, he is the guy that set up the trump tower Russia meeting on behalf of the campaign.


Edit: Full text story


https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59f7354be4b07fdc5fbfa210?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

 

They paid Manafort a ton of money and then the GOP platform changed to Pro Russia. Coincidence? $75 Million reasons?

Trump stI'll hasn't signed the sanctions law from Oct 2nd. Coincidence?

 

• Целью Структуры обсуждения является объединение экспертов с людьми без посредников с помощью Интернета и избежание пропаганды со стороны властей и коррумпированных лидеров. Главным направлением социальной науки должно быть коллективное самосознание. Таким образом, идеальная социальная наука является аватаром Делибертивной структуры.

• Именно поэтому я попытался начать с самоорганизующейся Структурированной структуры в 1990 году.

• Моделирование - лучший способ повысить точность вычислений.

• Распределенные вычисления лучше всего подходят для моделирования.


Народное правительство

• Не правительство.

• Интернет позволяет создать структуру с эффективными решениями и стать аватарами Смешивающей структуры.

• Для этого нам необходимо, чтобы Интернет был бесплатным.


Intellectual property is the main direction of the Western regress:

The war for the free Internet is also the war against the monopoly of the copyright and the author mediation.


Right now, Russia presents the biggest threat:

It should be democratized. It's the duty of Ukrainians to help their estranged kin. Russian and Ukrainians have always been the kindred nations. The Kreml authorities come and go, but the people remain.


Currently, Ukraine is the priority:

• Right now, the Ukrainians are the "chosen" people, who play the major part in the fate of our civilization. Also, Ukraine is the most fitting for moving the second world country to the side of the deliberative democracy.

• The strong improvement of the quality of life with the help of the democracy in Ukraine is the best way to destroy the Russian threat. The Ukrainians must become richer and deliberative e-democracy is the perfect way. The protests only harm the goals of the people of Ukraine. The activists have the energy, but they don't see the potential. If they find experts like independent programmers (the tech and programming industry has always been the strongest aspect of Ukraine, but its tech experts do what's useful to them, but not what's universally important) and work together, this will be a great benefit.


• Technologies are crucial right now. It's important to adjust the legislation to the sharp development of the technologies. The Ukrainians must apply their efforts into technologies and focus at several directions, because concentrating on a highly specialized branch allows securing the wealth.


What are the strong sides of the Ukrainians?

• The majority of the engineers who built spaceships and planes in the USSR were Ukrainian. They have the same potential today and want to use it. It's important to provide the cooperation between the experienced engineers and young programmers to achieve the best results. For instance, they can build non-military microaircrafts and micro-spaceships.


• The Deliberative Structure is the key to this.


Networked economy and Deliberative Structure:

• The deliberative democracy is the basis of the networked economy, the democratic mentality and the elimination of corruption.

• Networked economy is the economy without mediators, P2P and centralized management.

• Networked economy is supported by small business owners and their tightly-knit collaboration made possible by the Internet tools.


The exapmple of non-commercial cooperative without a hierarchic structure:

newint.org - Gnosis and New Internationalist


Deliberative e-democracy over lethal weapons:

• The deliberative democracy will be considerably more useful to Ukraine as it will provide positive feedback.

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• The one way to liberation lies through our own initiative. This is essential for building the Deliberative Structure.


Ukraine needs assistance:

All compassionate people in the West are interested in the success of Ukraine. And they can help: not financially, but participating in social projects. It can be done from the distance.


«Cloud» battle:

Compassion and mercy are essential for solidarity. The Russian people currently show less of these qualities. We don't need to fight with the Russians in Ukraine, we need to fight for the souls of the Russians. Authorities in Kyiv don't this because the truth would disadvantage them. A response in the shape of the upper-interference in the Russian elections is necessary. We need 0.3 billions of anti-troublemakers to help the Russians.

 

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What sounds like an outlandish concept is that you can't simply say that the correct terminology would have been "The intelligence community who are saying that Russia was attempting to interfere with our elections" instead of ""We have 17 different intelligence agencies who are saying that Russia was attempting to interfere with our elections"

You keep insisting that "17 different intelligence agencies" did something that "17 different intelligence agencies" didn't do. Instead it was 3 agencies on behalf of the IC.

 

Once again, the three agencies you are referring to represents those that conducted an investigation, and at the time of the October statement it was not three agencies, but just the Department of Homeland Security who had conducted an investigation. The statement that the Director of National Intelligence made in October of 2016 represented the USIC, which is a federation of 17 different agencies. You don't have to agree with the terminology. I mean, you have also expressed that you don't agree with calling the USIC a federation, even though that is the terminology that the USIC uses to describe itself. These are your opinions, and that's completely fine, you are entitled to your own opinions, but we both understand that I never said that the 17 agencies independently came to the conclusion. You have now admitted yourself that you do not believe that's what I was saying. So really this is just about you not agreeing with the terminology that I have used, you simply do not agree with referring to the USIC as a collective body of 17 different agencies.

That's all fine that you don't agree with that terminology, but I don't care. The USIC is literally a collective body of 17 different agencies. Do you deny it?

 

The Director of National Intelligence didn't use the terminology of "17 intelligence agencies..." you and a bunch of journolists did.

 

The Director of National Intelligence (who is the head of the USIC) made a statement on behalf of the USIC, which is a collective body of 17 different agencies. Do you deny it?

 

They provide a pretty good flag for when something major is about to drop. Somebody must get word somewhere in the alt-right/Russia propaganda chain and they flood the internet with their attempts to divert and distract.