Do you think a 'war on guns' will work better than the 'war on drugs' debacle? Why?

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its a common sentiment (particularly among the left) that the 'war on drugs' (particularly marijuana) is a total failure, a waste and a massive tool of corruption and tyranny. And they're absolutely right.

    But they seem to think a 'war on guns' will be effective.

    Im seeking explanations to these contradictive positions.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    They start with "We hate guns!!!" and work backwards.
     
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    Exactly !

    The debate on firearms is reverse engineering.

    Note how gun control advocates instantly discount and dismiss any Pro Gun evidence, as anecdotal as meaningless, to include actual personal Defense encounters and accounts.

    Main Anti Gun theme songs;

    Anecdotal !
    More Guns = More Crime !
    Assault weapons !
    We need more gun control !
    The Second Amendment is about the Militia's Right to bear Arms !
    States Rights etc etc.....
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    There is the belief that regular, private individuals possess neither the skill, knowledge, nor even tools necessary to privately manufacture firearms. This belief supposedly makes a "war on firearms" different from a "war on drugs" because firearms are not replenishable goods.

    This belief, however, ignores the fact that firearms can now be constructed with commonly available 3D printers, and are just as good as factory made models for all intents and purposes.
     
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    It seems to have worked well in other countries that have a lot fewer people misusing guns than the US.
     
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    Such a simplistic argument.

    How do you explain Australia, in 1996 they banned many firearms and implemented strict gun control, and violent crime increased 33%. They made a bad deal - to prevent the very rare school shooting and to feel "good" they accepted 100's more rapes and severe assaults and robberies.

    What are you going to tell all those women who were raped just so the gun banners could feel like they had "done something"? Do you think those women think it was worth it?
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    First and foremost, all other countries that are brought up for compare and contrast purposes have always had lower levels than the united states, even prior to the implementation of firearm-related restrictions.

    Second, no other country in the world, absolutely none of them, has ever possessed anywhere near the level of privately owned firearms as the united states. There are an estimated three hundred to five hundred million firearms currently in existence, currently held by the public, with an estimated minimum of forty one thousand more being added to that amount daily. That is more than one firearm to every individual living in the united states, putting it at well over a one-to-one ratio. No other nation has ever had to deal with such factors.
     
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    In australia, it has worked better then the war on drugs.

    But you also need the community behind it.
     
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    And what else do these other countries have that makes them so much better than the U.S.? Are they just one trick ponies or do they have a lot going for them making them better places to live and raise families? You see what I'm getting at here, right? If those other countries are so much better why are you still here? Also, why are so many people trying to come to the U.S if it is so bad? Why aren't those immigrants heading for Australia?
     
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    Actually we have a net migration of 190k people a year.

    A lot of people want to come here.

    The reason you guys have more migrants nowadays though is basically down to your geographical territory next to mexico.

    As a country though, if you want to know what I think we do very well that might appeal to you:-
    - create a safe society in most places without needing guns.
    - nice environment
    - rugby league
    - koalas
    - kangaroos
    - snakes / spiders
    - nice weather
    - Lots of rocks in the ground.
    - less political division
    - lots of fun.
    - nice people

    lots of good stuff, whether or not its better then any other place is a matter of opinion, most people like where they come from, but I certainly welcome you to come visit our friendly country.
     
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    Because criminal cartels are not manufacturing guns, the profit margin is much smaller for guns vs drugs. Guns are more difficult to conceal than drugs.
    Drugs are more addictive than guns.
     
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    Thats because guns are still legal. Restrict them enough and every one of those changes.
     
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    Strange how those that know the least about guns have the most to say about them and are the most vocal opponents to them as well as being whacking great gun experts.
     
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