Trump vs. Trudeau...

Nations trade all the time with people who aren't their "allies".

We have something they need they have something we need so we make a bargain and trade.

That doesn't mean we have to skip down the street with them while holding their hand.

You people seem to be under the perception that if we don't call someone an ally that we do no business with them, as if they are the enemy.

That's simply not true.

You form an alliance to accomplish a goal of immediate need, its not supposed to be an everlasting thing.

George Washington even warned us about avoiding them.

As for water, we have the ability to make all the water we need.

California currently has 17 desalination plants under construction or going into service.

We don't need Canada for water.

If we can arrange a trade for it that is reasonable than fine but people won't be dying of thirst because Canada didn't help us.

lol

 

You gotta be a Russian hacker...

 

Yes, they promised me 1500 rubles a month to post here but I'm still waiting for the check.

Not sure who to call about that however.

Its been like 6 years now since I've been paid.

 

Yes, subsidizing entire industries is yet another wide-spread scheme to circumvent free trade agreements and take advantage of the US and that's exactly what Canada is engaged in, as your article indicates. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

 

Trump vs. Trudeau

Quote: I'm not against Free Trade, I want Fair Trade.......D. Trump

In other words, it's all about fairness

Trudeau's definition of fairness includes both Goods and Services, whereas Trump's definition of fairness excludes "trade in services"

FACTS

U.S. International Trade in Goods and Services
April 2018

https://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/international/trade/tradnewsrelease.htm

Exports of services increased $0.3 billion to $70.0 billion in April.
Imports of services increased $0.3 billion to $47.9 billion in April.

Exports of goods increased $0.3 billion to $141.2 billion in April.
Imports of goods decreased $0.7 billion to $209.5 billion in April.

NOTE: Half of our exports are in SERVICES!

PSST: I don't like socialist Trudeau, but I honestly prefer his definition of fairness

 

I don't think you understand how much they will have to sacrifice to supply us with water.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Water_and_Power_Alliance

Washington was from a pre-industrial society weeks away from Europe. I wonder what his advice might be today.

Desalinated water is expensive.

That's not the choice. It would be nice if the Bloviator-in-Chief stopped playing to the crowd and walked the talk he's been making about the average guy getting it in the shorts. Antagonizing our allies doesn't help, nor does lying about them taking advantage of us. We have a goods and services surplus with Canada. The Bloviator forgets about our services surplus as though selling computer software and the jobs in that area aren't important.

 

Washington's advice had nothing to do with an era, its sound advice in any age.

Desalinated water is expensive but so are other methods of attaining water.

Dams that have to built, paths to bring water in, to store it, to buy the land to do all of that.

Saudi Arabia provides about 80% of their water from these plants.

Any project bringing in water to an area that needs it will be expensive. I don't have the numbers of how much it would cost to import water from Canada on a large scale but I imagine its comparable to putting up a couple of plants on the Great Lakes. A large plant can supply 500,000 gallons of water per hour. That's a consistent supply and not subject to the whims of another nation who may decide one day that they don't like the arrangement and end it.

Many of us believe our allies need to be antagonized once in awhile.

It keeps them honest and on alert, we should never get comfortable with a nation-state where it no longer matters what they do.

We need to look out for our nation first and they are expected to do the same for theirs, that is the definition of realism and the proven method of how the world works.

Any long term agreement should only be entered into with the most extreme caution. Remember that our ally today could very well be an enemy tomorrow.

Its happened in the past and will happen again in the future.

Liberals don't often remember that in their rush to global unification.

 

It's really hard to get water from the great lakes to Utah and California.
You know. Mountains.

 

So how is Canada going to do it then?

 

Where was Canada? According to the self proclaimed "really smart guy" they were trying to burn down the WH.

Trump to Trudeau: 'Didn't you guys burn down the White House?'

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...deau-didnt-you-guys-burn-down-the-white-house

I can't tell you how reassuring it is to have the Groper-in-Chief, who doesn't read his PDB's, who admitted he did not prepare for the summit, who is the first prez since WW II not to have a science adviser, who came to the WH with a reputation as a negotiator but has shown no such ability when he isn't pushing around small time real estate contractors, be sitting down with Kim.

Trump boasted to donors about making up facts during talks with Trudeau: report

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...onors-about-making-up-facts-during-talks-with

 

Trump’s true talent isn’t negotiating. It’s marketing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...8a538d9dbd6_story.html?utm_term=.6790183eff82

Baby Donald’s recurring criticism of his predecessor is that he just didn’t know how to make a deal. “Obama is not a natural deal maker,” he tweeted in 2016, complaining that there was no accord on Syria. “Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly,” he predicted incorrectly back in 2013. Don was scathing about President Barack Obama’s lack of legislative success, pronouncing him“unable to negotiate w/ Congress.” “We need leaders who can negotiate great deals for Americans,” the Grifter-in-Chief tweeted in 2015, and the implication was obvious — he was the ultimate dealmaker.

It is nearly 500 days into the Dump administration. Where are the deals? Where is the renegotiated North American Free Trade Agreement , the bilateral trade agreements that were going to replace the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the new and improved Iran nuclear pact, the China trade deal? Don’s record in working with Congress is even less impressive. He has not been able to strike an accord with Democrats on anything, from immigration to infrastructure.

The world is laughing at us, he would often say. Well, what must the world be thinking now, as it watches the small hand administration careen wildly on everything from North Korea to China?

 

Why does everything Trump does cost me an additional 25%to 50%?

https://www.nasdaq.com/markets/lumber.aspx?timeframe=3y

 

They have water on the other side of the mountains.

 

It boggles the mind how narrow minded and ignorant trump and his supporters are of realpolitik and economic reality.

 

Seriously? I hope you're joking.

 

funny how facts just don't sink in with you.

CANADA HAS A TRADE DEFICIT WITH THE US. We Canadians will welcome his making that imbalance "fair".

As for our industry based on robbing other nations - it is obvious you know jack crap about economics and even less about foreign trade.

Its sad when such profound ignorance is exploited and compounded by a "rogue" president, while his faithful acolytes make fools of themselves by displaying that ignorance.

Then again I realize that there is fierce competition in trump's legion to be promoted to the rank of trumpian talking sphincters.

 

Given the fact that inflation has been extremely low during 2017 and 2018, it has to be you, not Trump. Poor financial discipline and money management i am guessing but do consult your financial advisor, he will probably confirm that it's not Trump who ate your lunch.

 

I've already given one major example of how Canada manipulates other nations with their imbalance.

Subsidizing their lumber industry then using that to undercut US markets while selling cheaper definitely hurts us.

And that's just one example.

If Canada wants to act like this they should make up the cost by paying higher for other goods.

We choose to pay people in this industry more, offer more benefits while Canada does not so they are forcing us to either lower our standards for our goods to compete or be undercut. Canada chooses to spend money on their lumber industry because they can more easily afford it with the US providing things like military protection that they take advantage of.

 

Oh, please. Every time the dispute over lumber has gone to a tribunal, we lost and our tariff was declared an unfair trade practice. We'll lose, again.

U.S. forest companies bought up much of the Canadian production. We put on tariffs so the companies can jack up lumber prices. When Canada wins the dispute, the tariffs we collect are handed back to the U.S.-owned Canadian companies. Canadians don't like the game because Canadians lose jobs.

If you understood more about the game, you wouldn't swallow whole Trump's BS about how Canada is taking advantage of us. They play games, too, so don't assume I think they're innocent.

 

Apparently you aren't aware that the lumber issue has been adjudicated EIGHT times and guess what EIGHT times the American complaint has been dismissed.

But don't let facts get in the way of intransigent ignorance.

You are totally out to lunch. Firstly Canadian workers enjoy WAY more benefits than american workers. They get paid sick leave, paid maternity leave, most have private health plans to add additional services to our universal healthcare, they have mandatory notice or severance. OUr labour costs are FAR higher than yours but we generally don't bitch about it, cause our workers also get more.

As for lumber, the issue is over "stumpage charges" that the federal government charges for forestry companies to harvest wood on federally owned lands, (which represents 94% of the total, with only 6% being privately owned). EXACTLY like we do with our oil, the feds charge iirc a $25 per tree stumpage fee in addition to strict conditions about replanting. The American industry is structured differently with the vast majority of forests being PRIVATELY OWNED. Perhaps you can figure out why our lumber is cheaper than yours EVEN with tariffs.

There's a reason why the lumber issue has been adjudicated EIGHT times with the same result - Canada is not illegally subsidizing the lumber industy because Americans think the stumpage fee is too low, because AMerican producers have to buy their forest before they can harvest.

But keep pumping out those stupid bumperstickers. Sadly too many people in this world hold strong opinions based entirely on ignorance, propaganda and "feelings". Facts don't seem to matter to your ilk.

 

Your example is nonsense. Every time they take us to an independent trade tribunal, we lose. Our claim they're subsidizing their industry is BS.

We screwed them around over their jetliner, Bombardier's C-series, and our own trade tribunal said the Trump tariff was BS.

You have no clue what you're talking about. You're just parroting the Bloviator-in-Chief.

Our workers make less money.

That's as close to you making a half-intelligent case as you've come.

 

As a Canadian, I actually still support Trump but that Navarro guy shouldn't say that 'Trudeau should burn in hell'. That's pretty out there. I think before July, both parties would have sorted out a deal together. Give it some time. US and Canada are the only two decent countries to live in. At least as far as English speaking countries go.

 

As always, you know just enough to completely misinterpret the situation, a common trait among The Enablers.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/25/15419854/trump-canada-lumber-trade-war

 

No I'm not and that was low balling it