Mexico's leftist Lopez Obrador wins largest landslide in country's recent history

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  1. Mandelus

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    Sure ... and you only US and CIA BS propaganda and fake news in reverse, eh?
     
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    Was Che a good guy? Yes or no.
     
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    No ... but no worse than Dulles!
     
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    Would the National security archives be more to your liking?
    https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//bayofpigs/chron.html

    Instead of dismissing it read and and actually do some research. I'm all for you to dispute any of it. 99% of Americans have no knowledge of what really happened between Cuba and the US. The US were certainly not the "good guys".
     
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    Communism has been a curse for cuba just as it has been for north korea
     
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    The curse for Cuba has always been the US.
     
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    AMLO proposes to negotiate with the cartels to resolve the bloodbath resulting from Mexico's war on drugs. Evidently something needs to be done as corrupt police, judiciary and the military have proven incapable in eradicating dangerous and powerful armed gangs fighting each other and the authorities for control over regions and markets.

    What can AMLO offer the cartels in exchange for the end of their violence? I'd expect they'd want an end to their persecution, AMLO could offer something like this, end the war on drugs, after all they're legalizing pot in the US, why not make this a cash crop in Mexico, something that could be lawfully exported to the US? Regulate production, tax it and license it's export in compliance with whatever US regulations (pesticides, branding, rating, packaging).

    I'm not sure of the details on how the major drug cartels make their money, but I get the impression shipping Colombian cocaine and methadone made in Mexico are more important sources of revenue than weed. Could AMLO convince the drug cartels to focus on the more labor intensive and less profitable weed business, would cartels be willing to stop the more lucrative production and shipment of harder drugs? Maybe AMLO could convince them with promises of a negotiated arrangement that would allow much greater exports of legalized weed?

    How would this be perceived in the US? Would Trump cooperate?
     
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    Why would anyone keep posting after series of failed forecasts? All your presumptions are now trash... Take a vacation, read some books, hike, go fishin do something... Damn....
     
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    All my forecasts have failed? My most recent (that the critical left would rip into a certain Supreme Court nominee's religious devotion) has proven true, I also anticipated concern among lefties their adherence to Waters' call for "push back" would cause fracture among Democrats (it has). I forecasted trouble over the Strzok/Page texting (this has emerged). Accurately expected the summit with Kim would be a source of another outrage. Easy forecasts, I guess not.
     
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    I dunno about this OP or it's assertion. This guy is no Chavez.. Certainly is populist but socialist? Naw.. and the Mexico elitist parties had what 20 years? to get the country's act together and they failed. So the people voted in what in their perception of an outsider. All politicians are corrupt its seriously just a question of degrees. The question should be can this man be effective? He has an extraordinarily powerful persona so if he goes into it with the gloves off I don't see why not.
     
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    Yes, Obrador is charismatic, but he hasn't gone into this with gloves off in the past. In Mexico there are very entrenched interests and their leadership really lacks integrity. Teachers unions, public sector, oil production, transport, they've all got good causes but their leadership is there just for the graft and AMLO has a good record of accommodating them to maintain peace and a semblance of progress.
     
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    Guys like this seem to get into power after many years of corruption in government and it never ends well. What Mexico needs is a good revolution and they only reason they haven't had one is Mexicans illegally coming to America and sending money home relieves pressure that otherwise would boil over. Yet another reason to build the wall.
     
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    Then build your wall and get rid of Mexico ... but then you stay completely out of the country, no matter what it does then and with whom it politically, economically and militarily goes to bed and "cuddles".
     
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    Why does a secure border negate our interest in what goes on in a bordering country?
     
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    Apart from the fact that the wall itself is total nonsense in the technical sense ...

    Since when can the sovereign country Mexico not do what it wants ... whether it pleases the US or not? Are the Mexicans a colony or protectorate of the USA?
    It is your current president who is not only hostile to Mexico with the Wall in itself, but also wants to let Mexico pay for the wall and does not like it when US companies, for whatever reason, in Mexico, instead of in the US Have factories.
     
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    For instance if Mexico allowed terrorist training camps to be setup we'd have a right to go in and do something about it.
     
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    Really? No ... only if these terrorists attacks you in the USA or any US in the world. Otherwise not!

    And the term "terrorist" is in meantime lame and irrelevant, because the term has been used for some time to denigrate any enemy, especially insurgents.
    And one group of insurgents are therefore for the one side "heros and fighters for freedom" ... for the other side terrorist scum!
     
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    Only a Looney leftist would tolerate terrorist training camps in Mexico.
     
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    Then define the term terrorist first and then let's see if it really is terrorists or not!
     
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    If you need the word defined in this era of terrorism you are not worth my time. Have a nice day.
     
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    Because you know no answer and can not define it?

    Are the "Free Syrian Army" rebels in Syria rebels and freedom fighters for you, rebelling against the bastard Assad and his helpers?

    It may be that they are up to you ... they are here for many Americans. But what are these freedom fighters according to the Russian definition? All without exception terrorists!

    Did you get it now that it all depends on the point of view?
     
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    I consider fascism to be quite a decent alternative for Mexico to govern itself. The vigilante groups are a reasonable base for a stormtrooper unit, minor cartel offenders who got off the drugs can be integrated into such a Mexican storm trooper unit, the gruesome and incurably cartel members sitting in concentration camps and Hitler-mustaches combined with Sombreros have the potential to become a new fashion trend, I consider it quite stylish.

    The Trump administration is the right US partner to establish such a regime, the liberals would boycot or something, but Trump is the right partner to get things done.

    "President Trump, what will you do about these American LGBTQ-activists lynched by an angry Mexican right-wing mob? They are US-citizen so how will you intervene?"

    "There has been inacceptable violence by many sides in this incident!"

    "But Mr. President, these activists simply got lynched when they were handing out flyers to improve gender-awareness, critical whiteness and priviledge acknowledgement to these..."

    "Is said there has been a lot of inacceptable violence BY MANY SIDES"
     
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    And that stupid answer from Trump says everything about the IDIOTUS! ;-)
     
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    I think you get something wrong there assuming that Trump is not understanding what these kind of journalists are asking for and what they want to hear. He just does not want to give the answer they want to hear. What he says between the lines is "I dont care if LGBTQ acitivists are US citizen, if they annoy other people be it in Charlottesville or in Tijuana, they can go and **** themselves!"
     
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    Other people annoy ... mmmh ... let me think!
    Did not a fascist, racist Neo Nazi mob circulate in Charlottesville, sometimes in Nazi SA and SS uniforms and with swastikas?
    Who has annoyed here whom with his US right to freedom of expression and who should actually take a beating for it, eh?

    Even then, Trump's answer was just a shame and a slap in the face for every US veteran who served and every US soldier killed in Europe in World War II.

    P.S.
    And yes, I'm German and I can even say that, because my ancestors were true heroes in World War II and some sat and died in concentration camps, and one of my 2 grandfathers fought as a German in the French Foreign Legion against the Nazis like every one of your boys!
     
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