Mexico's leftist Lopez Obrador wins largest landslide in country's recent history

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The Antifa bullies look for trouble worldwide if in Genoa, Hamburg or Charlottesville. And at least in Genoa and Chrlottesville they got what they were looking for.



1. You can test native population or regimes wherever you want, you can test Orban, you can test Putin, you can test Duterte or you can test Bolsonaro in Brazil after he will be elected this year, but dont expect Trump to waste a tear if you get into trouble. You can also try Mexico in the current state hold protests against the Sinaloa cartel or the CJNG and test their patience, I just wonder why you dont.

2. Why my boys? One of my grandfathers fought on the other side. Well, anyway the basic difference is that Germany went out 1939 to put its regime on other people ruling Europe with tyranny and declared war on the US. So thats the basic difference between the Allied soldiers of then and the Antifa now. The Allied soldiers went out to defend their countries or protect their allies from tyranny, mass murder, genocide and all kinds of atrocities. Antifa today goes out to bully people around that - according to their own statements are "too white", "too unprogressive", "part of the system" and so on. So you see whats the slap in the face for every US veteran, to be compared to this Antifa-trash that just bullies people around.

 

Bla Bla bla ...

Throw the AntiFa into your concentration camp and put a halo on the head of the NAZI scum!

Of course there's violent scum on the left-wingers too, I've never denied ... but this whole thing in Charlottesville is a matter of Nazi action and anti-racist anti-racism.

And yes ... does not even come with the right to freedom of expression, etc. ... because Nazis may only have a right to die and nothing else!

 

Well, thats exactly the point, this was a legal protest and if people you go out to kill right-wing protestors, Trump is exactly right, that there has been a lot of violence by many sides. You can do what you want, but I dont care if you get killed while trying to kill right-wing protesters with your left wing sense for lynching justice. This was exactly what happened here both sides were looking for trouble, some of the left wingers got more than they wanted and the reaction of Pres. Trump was adressing all this absolutely adequately.

To come back to the topic of Mexico, right now it seems to be a more bitter place for even very moderate demonstrators than Charlottesville. Seems that Mexican drug cartels doesn't have a sense of humour when dealing with protests, at least it appears so to me that the 43 students tortured to death and laid in a mass grave by the Gurreros Unidos indicate that. So even for you and your guys a fascist regime in Mexico would mean some progress.

 

Did I doubt that Mexico is a "**** hole"?

The only problem is that you in the US this and all the other **** holes only interested if the **** comes to you across the border ... or in the **** holes In Central America there is no regime in power whose nose is deep enough in Washington.

As I said earlier, if you are really building this totally superfluous wall and separating yourself and Mexico continues to treat you with respect ... do not be surprised if they start cuddling with Cuba. But then again for national security reasons, and the CIA will stage a lethal showering accident or worse ... as so often done by the US!

 

Great, so now mexicans should have no reason to come to the U.S.

Their country will be a socialist paradise, right?

Either that or the U.S. should prepare themselves for a massive refugee crisis in the next few years, one that could make past illegal immigration numbers look like a drop in the bucket.

 

Very one dimensional. Mexico did make progress in a lot of areas, but up to now they failed in efficient fighting of organized crime.

This does not make any sense, as I am not even from America. Thus the wall ...

... isn't my cup of tea. I doubt that this election has any ideological background, its all about stopping the cartels in which the predecessors failed. Whatever the new Mexican goverment will be, it will have massive support by the US in fighting the drug cartels and it will need it. You think the leftist goverment will align itself with the Cuban and the Farc guerillas thus strenghtening cocaine trade and support some cartels against the others? Hell will break loose, Mexico and the US will pay a high price, Mexicans much higher.

But on the other hand maybe we a re one step further to my scenario for Mexico, that vigiliante groups take over and establish a fascist regime in Mexico with the ultra-stylish Hitler-mustache-sombrero-combination. I am still convinced they could take over the fasion trends worldwide.

 

There are always 2 ways to deal with a problem ...
Either you preventively prevent it from becoming a problem at all, or at least not a big one ... or you only react when the problem starts to stink and hurts you drectly!

For example, a preventive measure would be to help Mexicans in Mexico fight corruption and fight the cartels.
Another preventive measure would be to help with many things to reduce the reasons for flight, which is why people want to illegally to you ... or do you seriously think that all come from desire and mood illegal?
Alternatively, of course, you can also build a 20-meter-high wall with self-shooting equipment and minefields against illegal immigration ... you can do it too, but the history shows that no wall has ever helped sustained ... NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND!

 

Oh, what a brillant idea, I mean its not that the US authorities do that since decades and lead combined with the Mexican authorities a war desperately in which they loose more and more ground. But yes, fighting the Mexican cartels is such a wise idea, tell us more of that.

Thats the same as "Well, we need to integrate refugees!" in Europe. Brilliancy, pure brilliancy.

 

What a brilliant answer ...
Did I say that the US does nothing? No!
But how effective the whole thing is you can see and that suggests the conclusion that something is going wrong and is not working properly, eh?

 

Hey, I have a brilliant idea, the states could collect taxes with which they could support the police authorities ... pardon, they are already doing it? Well then something goes wrong, cause crime still exists.

Whats going wrong is pretty easy to say, the cartels make too much money with their buiseness. Every success law enforcers of the US and Mexico have isnt enough to let anyone hesitate taking the place of the enjailed druglord.There was a time when most of the revenues were the result of drug trafficking, at this point there would have been two options:

1. the restrictive one, harsh punishments in the US for anyone who consumes illegal drugs, forced rehabs, Singapoerian style of law enforcement drying out the market for the drug lords
2. the opposite, legalize it all, let the super markets sell drugs to low prices suffering the discounters who offers them for even lower, cutting down the profits of potential drug lords in Mexico to a level that they could become hair dressers would be the better alternative for them (maybe they could specialize in styling Hitler-mustaches, did I mention already, that the Hitler-mustache-sombrero-combination would make Mexicans look extremely stylish?)

Anyway that point is passed meanwhile the cartels make much of the money by extortion and kidnappings, which makes them relatively independend from the drug market.

 

Yeah, there were about four whole Nazi's there out of 600 protesters. The MSM painted the entire bunch as Nazi's even though many were there just to protest the erasing of history.

 

For real?
It's like fighting the drugs ...
You can spend millions and millions of dollars to find and destroy the coca plantations and spend millions and millions more to fight drug smugglers ....
Or you can make with the same money ... more likely less money ... with sensible and thoughtful preventive measures to ensure that the farmers get a meaningful and nourishing alternative to no longer cultivate coca plants but normal agricultural commodities and of course accordingly protecting them against others who may force them to cultivate coca etc.

What is more sustainable and effective, eh?

 

Lol ... go back and look all the images, films and so on, also those which were not MSM and then come back and excuse to have claimed nonsense!
Alone over 50 different persons ran in Nazi SA Uniforms or with Swastikas on one film I saw there and they were for sure not AntiFa people, eh?

 

I have, https://www.google.com/search?q=Cha...porcAhVjhuAKHVioCzgQ_AUICigB&biw=1153&bih=775 look through the pictures, none have more than one Nazi flag. Now the MSM will say all those from the night before who had torches were Nazi's, but I haven't seen the evidence that they are or that all of them were at the protest. Even if you are correct, 50 is no where near 600 and that is the figure given for the number of protesters.

Edit: OK I see two flags in one picture.

 

Oh, "ensuring it", excuse me again, I did not think of how easy this problem is to be solved by couch potatoes with a finger on the globe ...

Yes, again a brilliant idea, it never occurred to anyone before. Its not that coca leads to much higher margins or so, its just there isnt any alternative. Oh, ok, Mexico isnt a major coca producer, but hey Colombia or Mexico, whats the difference for a genius who cannot afford to think about details, but has such brilliant new ideas as e.g. the US law enforcement could support Mexican authorities in their fight against the cartels. Here FYI, genius

1. Drug producing is much more profitable than producing corn or avocados. In Mexico there is rather Marihuana problem, in some parts they can produce opium, maybe some selective regions for Coca too, but when it comes to Cocaine Mexico isnt a big player as producer, the cartels there are mainly traffickers.But, hey, we have to "ensure" it

2. Within the drug trade there are meanwhile a lot of synthetic drugs produced in industrial scales by Mexican cartels. Now, big genius, tell me again how you dry out this market by "ensuring and meaningful nourishing" alternative for the stupid farmers that you have to teach how to produce corn, huh? Guess what, the DEA did once manage to dry out the cocaine flow into the US and - combined with Mexican authorities - did push the Tijuana cartel really hard. But guess what, their arch rival Chapo Guzman used that problems to flood the market with cheap synthetic drugs they could sell in Mexico itself.

3. Meanwhile drug production and drug trafficking is only one sector in which the cartels make their profit. Kidnappings and extortion money, oil stealing and many other activities re a reasonable part of their portfolio. So, they come e.g. to your farmers who produce corn, avocado, beans, whatsoever and want their share. Well maybe 50% or 100% or something like that. If he does not pay they will cut himself or his loved ones into pieces or throw them all together alive in a barrel of acid. Quite difficult to make Avocados profitable that way, isnt it?

But, hey, I overlooked, they just have to "ensure" security there ... oh I admire your brillancy so much. So they just have to win the war against the cartels, well, why did not anyone before you come to this great conclusion. I mean this is really brilliant again, how to you reestablish security and peace in Mexico? Well you have to "ensure" it. You should be National Security guidance in the US or Mexico, why didnt they ask you with this lot of original idea no one ever before you had come to?

 

Even if they were 50 Nazis among them, as long as they dont committ any crime there a legal protest is to be tolerated and a counter-protest has to be kept legally itself. It was exactly as Trump pointed out, inacceptable violence by many side. This was precisely what was going on. On both sides there were obviously a lot of people looking for trouble, its just the Antifa got more than it was able to handle and had to whine about it afterwards. The video I posted showed enough, both sides ranning into another immediately beginning a huge rumble.

Exactly the right reaction by Trump not giving these left-wing idiots what they wanted a backup for further action and violence.

 

I've never said it's easy ... it's about sustainability and meaningfulness of actions that also deliver results.

But since you speak of the synthetic drugs ... or Crystal Meth ... because the crap starts to stink on the head and this head is in the USA!
What do you mean, where all the chemicals come from, with which the crap is being cut in Mexico? Definitely not bought over Ebay Australia or Amazon Amazon UK ...
The question arises, why the corresponding US export control seems to be grotesque!

 

The problem is, anti-Fa will attack any conservative march or meeting. They believe, as several posters on this forum also believe, that all conservatives are fascists.

And here's the problem: you're a conservative, not a fascist, you organize a march or a meeting, anti-Fa prepare to attack it ... and then several dozen Nazis turn up to fight on your side, probably a lot better prepared for violence than your nice Republican grandmother.

In the 1930s, liberals and democratic socialists opposed the Stalin-loving Communist Party. But ... when it came to fighting fascists, the Communists were second to none. So a saying, possibly originating during the French Revolution, become popular: pas d’ennemis à gauche. ("No enemies to the Left". )

The pressures of the Cold War made liberals repudiate this alliance for a couple of decades, but from the late 60s on, the admirers of Joseph Stalin became normal, even honored, guests in liberal activities.

So should conservatives imitate liberals in this respect? After all, liberals are happy to work hand in hand with people who champion the firing and the concentration camp ... so it's easy to see that a Republican college student, dodging M80s and bricks from anti-Fa scum, should ask himself, "why should we deny ourselves the advantages of an alliance with the counterparts of these people on the Right?"

This would be a terrible mistake, on two levels. Why?

In the first placeI it would be a horrible mistake -- worse than a crime, a blunder -- playing right into the hands of the demagogic Left. It would cut us off from the great majority of decent Americans, who know in their guts that fascism is a deadly enemy of the sort of things they love America for.

Yes, it's not fair -- people who love Pol Pot can hold hands with air-head liberal spoiled brats and no one says a thing. Nonetheless -- we must have nothing to do with any racists, neo-Nazis, Holocaust Deniers, anti-Semites, white nationalists, and what have you.

It won't stop the dishonest Left from saying we're fascists -- they care nothing for the truth and most of them are too ignorant to know anything about fascism anyway. But that's life.

But there is a second, far more important reason, to shun the fascists: because there is just the possibility that some form of fascism -- some genuine racially-based appeal to whites as such -- could at some point find resonance with an American white population that has finally lost patience.

And that would be disaster for our country, no matter how it played out.

So the fascists must be cut off, sterilized, shunned, isolated, not admitted to panel discussions organized by us, not allowed to take part in our marches or rallies or meetings. Treat them like ISIS. (With their anti-Semitism, they've got more in common with a section of the Left anyway.)

 

It's hard to get accurate info when reports are more interested in pushing an agenda instead of the truth. I have no idea how true it is but I read that the police also contributed. When antifa started to get violent some protesters tried to leave, but the police forced them to go past antifa instead.

 

Nonsense again.

1. I mentioned above that the US is part of the problem, but with regard to the market. The drug addicts who buy illegal drugs are as guilty as the Mexican participants. You can even argue that the trafficking of firearms in the other direction is part of this whole ****. And I told you the alternatives the US once had to end this problem once and for all. Either no tolerance, drastic punishments, enforced rehab or the opposite legalize it all.

2. It is so unbelievably ignorant how you talk about other countries and other people. I myself are from Germany (although you somehow set me in the US and hope to insult me as an American) and cannot believe how people like you dare to judge over other countries. For you the US consists of a few rednecks who can do nothing but fire fireamrs and the Mexicans are kind of apes sitting in the trees. You wanna teach them how to produce legal fodd and make agriculture? You ignorant ****!! What do you think your Avocado is coming from? Do you think they cannot produce corn and need your know-how? LOL! You think they have to buy basic chemicals from the US as the apes in the trees cannot produce it? You ignorant ****!! You are talking about a relatively highly developed country. Yes, the US or Germany may be more industrialized than Mexico, many of our companies may have a higher level in research and development, but we are talking about a civlized industrialized country here, which has a lot of competitive chemical companies, in which a lot of well-educated chemists leave universities and polytechnical institutes each year. Have you even every heard of players like PEMEX? You are way out of line making such ignorant implications.

You talking about the most advanced country in the world and a G20 player and talk about them like a mother about her mentally limited child. Come back to earth! We live here in Germany here in a highly developed relatively rich country, but yes, believe it or not, people in Mexico dont live on the trees, they have a standard in agriculture and chemical industry and we are not the center of the world.

 

Please step on the brakes with your barrage of allegations and read through what I wrote and look at the facts.

Why do the farmers build Canabis instead of ... no idea ... corn, you smurf? Be sure about it and do not come with such a barrage nonsense as now again!
Explain to me where the chemicals come from and how the crap is produced, eh?

Is Mexico without Hilde alone with the problems clearly and needs polite and not arrogant help, eh?

God ... come back from your BS cloud!

 

First stop here, in the first place you wrote about Coca, do you remember?

In other words, you dont know a **** about Mexico, mischange it worth Colombia or the Congo maybe.

Are you serious? Your questions imply, that you cannot read (I gave the answer why they prefer Cannabis over other legal agricultural products above, maybe you have difficulties to read) and you have not the slightest idea of petrochemistry, in other words you are dumb as hell. With this obvious lack of intelligence you come in here and give advises like

"Well, the US authorities should help the Mexicans in their fight against the drug cartel"
"Well, you have to ensure that the farmers get an alternative to coca (the tip of ignorance) production and ensure their safety from cartels"

or you ask moronoc questions with such insulting implications like

Well, let me put it this way, you are the dumbest, most ignorant first world couch potatoe, I have ever come across. You would not find Mexico on a globe most propably, throw in your primitive commonplaces that demonstrate clearly that you consider US law enforcement as completely stupid and Mexico kind of Third World land where people have to learn agriculture and must import basic chemicals from the US as surely chemical industry is far too complex for a third world monkey and now you dare to mention "arrogant help"? Wow!

Yes, where do chemicals come from in a country like Mexico that even has its own oil resources, a large and modern petrochemical industry and other chemical companies for the fine chemistry. Well, must have something to do with smuggle via US, Mexicans are clearly too bakcwards to handle 19th and 20th century standard chemistry and engeneering techniques, right? You know what, lesson me further about how these stupid gunfiring rednecks from the US are too stupid to teach their primitive backwards neighbours how to come down from the trees and learn agriculture. I wont listen to your ignorant nonsense anymore, I wont answer anymore, I just find your comments here disgraceful as you appear to be a countryman. I just hope this ignorance isnt taken as exemplaric for German or at least German-speaking people here.

 

I'm concerned about the effect of any arrangement by Amlo with the drug cartels to halt the violence. Ending the bloodbath is a good goal, but accommodating the cartels will cause trouble with Trump. Any Amlo 'deals' with cartels will be persuasive arguments for Trump's wall. I think Amlo should wait until the US federally decriminalizes the use of 'pot' (with a prescription or recreationally) then do the same in Mexico and immediately apply US health, safety and sanitary regulations (control the use of pesticides and grade drug potency).

The cartels make their money from synthetic drugs (methadone) and shipping Colombian cocaine. The US ought to invest in efforts to train Mexican border control in Cocaine interdiction and identifying domestic synthetic drug production. If US efforts to do so are rejected, the argument for Trump's wall is reinforced.

 

Afaik they have widened their portfolio. Extortion money, kidnapping, oil theft ...

 

Yes the cartels have a diverse range of criminal activity, but the big money is in drugs, synthetics are gaining, but cocaine is tops. Mexican consumption is important, but the bulk of their drug income is from exports to the US.

I think by legalizing weed in Mexico the cartels could be offered an opportunity to go legit and this would induce them to reduce their criminal activity. My uncertainty is over their balancing the costs of violently fighting these cartel wars for regional control and their lucrative hard drug markets.