Donald Trump told 'the countdown to impeachment has already started'

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  1. Adfundum

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    I'm not talking about old style campaign funding, I'm talking about those who can control the message--as in news and social media. As we've seen recently, such funding is not always visible. Bannon knew how to use the media to play the tune the people wanted to hear. Russian oligarchs can outspend US oligarchs, and we don't even know it until afterwards. It's not how much you spend, it's where you spend it.

    I understand that many people voted for Trump because they believed he would drain the swamp. The problem is that he's not actually draining it, he's installing new swamp monsters. We've traded one cabal of corruption for another. And as we replace the old swamp monsters with those who've sworn loyalty to do Trump's bidding, we move closer to tyranny.

    I understand people want to believe he's working for them. However, either through ignorance or through personal greed, he is doing more for the upper crust rather than those who elected him. As time goes on, I'm sure this will become more apparent. Bubbles come, bubbles go, but it's always the working class that's on the bubble when it explodes.
     
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    If I understand you correctly, you're suggesting that Trump supporters are those "American people." Trump supporters make up less than half of the voters in this country. Even worse, Liberals are American people, as are Libertarians and even illegal aliens from Mexico.
     
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    No. We need to be patient and see what, if anything, is uncovered during the investigation being conducted by Mueller that would give cause to commence impeachment proceedings.

    Let Mueller have all the time he needs to complete his investigation this way no one can say he was rushed or forced to speed things up.
     
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    What he said is what some people have been saying for a long time--the investigation is not about getting rid of Trump by accusing him of collusion. It's about Russian interference and the attempt to "undermine" our faith in our political system, opening the door to all kinds of corruption and chaos.

    So, it begs the question, why is Trump so determined to keep the investigation under wraps? It makes it look like Trump knows something and is afraid of what others will say about him. Even worse, Trump's deference to Putin makes it seem as though Putin has some dirt on Trump, and Trump is forced to kiss Putin's ass.

    Why, exactly, do we have a problem with investigating this? If Trump comes out clean, I'm sure that people would have more faith in him. It seems to me he'd want that.
     
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    No its exactly the opposite of what you're saying. Trump is not being investigated for the Russian collusion - there were none. Mueller's mandate is to find crime or what may looks like a crime, no matter what it is. And given his resources, unlimited time and Democrat support, crime or an appearance of crime find he will. Dig long enough into anyone, and something you will find.
     
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    Indeed, this is what its all about. Need anyone say more? :applause:
     
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    Indeed they are. They are, however, do not belong in the USA. You're not arguing that... are you?
     
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    Umm....What I said, and I quote, "...the investigation is not about getting rid of Trump by accusing him of collusion." It's focused on his people who were part of the campaign who are guilty of some strange financial practices related to the campaign.

    So I'll ask again, why is there so much resistance to such an investigation? It seems to me like a collective stuffing of fingers in the ears, squeezing of the eyes, and and chanting of "I can't hear you!"
     
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    If we insist on speaking in terms of Us vs. Them, lumping all into one of the two categories, that's what we end up with. People like to think of "the American people" as some monolithic, single minded organism to suggest a majority, then label those who disagree with that horribly un-American single-mindedness as some kind of enemy.
     
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    My money is still on a double scoop of resignations in shame...

    Remember THIS one...

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    That's why it's the Deep State. Deep like a viper den!
     
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    Whuts Illegal Aliens have to do with your rant?
     
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    No no, the investigation is all about unearthing crime or something that may help to get rid of Trump. That is the only goal.
     
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    Dunno. But Trump may just pardon himself if impeached. He wont go unless they drag him out at gunpoint. Beside that...the stock market will collapse!
     
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    Trump is working for the American people

    Just because you refuse to give him any credit does not keep others from seeing it

    Immigration reform is vital

    So is balanced trade with mercantile aggressor nations like china

    Plus trump is the only president to tske nuclear proliferation seriously

    I dont exoect you to agree with any of that but we have sound reasons for supporting trump
     
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    Yes; you changed my posting; do not change what i've posted. That's against the rules.
     
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    No I have not. I quoted exactly as it was written by you. A quote is a quote.
     
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    Everybody sing!!

     
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    Is that mind reading, another case of "common sense," or can you verify the motives of the investigation?
     
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    Exactly

    If you hate trump ypu may still be an American too

    But only trump voters are having their votes voided by the Deep State
     
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    I haven't specifically challenged anything Trump has done. I will say that I believe he gets credit for many things that can't be proven to be any more than the old causation and correlation question.

    Immigration has been steadily declining for years, so I seriously question Trump's method of approaching the issue. All I see is a political ploy to drum up fear and outrage, then to claim the need to do something. I don't think his "plan" is thought out in any other way than in how loud supporters will cheer.

    His approach to trade and tariffs is astoundingly ignorant for someone who claims a Masters in Business. I can excuse the average person for not knowing about trade deficits and tariffs, but for a president to be so empty-headed is inexcusable.

    All presidents take nuclear proliferation seriously. Trump merely holds his crotch and talks like a bully, taking us backwards as far as reducing the tensions that make other nations feel the need to protect themselves against the US's empirical forays into global and sovereign national politics. In other words, he wants the world to fear us--the foundation for every empire's downfall.

    Under normal circumstances, I'd let it go at that. My main problem with Trump is his personality. People obviously see him as a powerful and dominant personality. Whenever someone steps in and takes control, forcing us to do things his way, I revolt. That kind of person sees himself as better than everyone else, and I'm not going to accept that. Others may fall in behind this "powerful" person believing that they're somehow superior as well. I'm no better than anyone else, and cheering his thuggery wouldn't change that at all. His conceit, hubris, lack of values, and dishonesty are revolting. He is a fraud, and I suspect that deep down inside, people realize this but can't allow themselves to acknowledge it. It's too easy to take the bait, that pill that makes us feel superior and cheer like sports fans in an arena.

    Having said that, I don't dislike people who support him. They are my friends, family, neighbors, and so forth. We disagree on that issue, but I will not fall into the trap of divisive politics. His supporters are my fellow citizens.
     
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    I'm counting on you not letting my sarcasm about the definition of American slip past.
    Now, when you go "deep state" on me, I worry about you. The dog-whistles and Skinner box treats foisted on us by other-stream media can be amusing, but when people get serious about this stuff, I feel bad.
     
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    You mean we only have a million uninvited foreigners rashing our borders each year instead of the previous flood of two million?

    As it stands right now 100 million illegals could arrive here whenever they choose to
     
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    You see ruskies luking behind every tree and bush but you suggest that I’m the one who is paranoid?

    Trump is being railroaded by unelected employees at the DOJ, FBI and CIA who do not like the choice I made for president

    Our election process is being threatened not by russians but by the Deep State
     
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    Sorry, I can’t help you see the obvious.
     
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