Do you really know what socialism really is?

It tells me that you gotta stop worrying about what other people have. It's not yours, so just... think happy thoughts with lots of pandas sliding down chocolate rainbows. Once you're in your happy space, figure out how to get yours, and stop worrying about what other people have.

It's a whole lot easier that way.

 

What does this even mean?

 

The ultra rich did not get ultra rich because my taxes are too low

 

Nobody chooses where he is born nor the economic & social policy his country has.

Neither work on its own, thats why there is no pure capitalist or socialist state. Human nature just doesnt follow theory.

All countries are a mix of both.

 

Fortunately, we do have a voice in what kind of social policies our country has. For economics, there is only one. You don't get to choose and I don't get to choose. Economics is not something that you can just choose will work one way and not the other. It always works, and people who think they can control it always suffer.

 

So you're not really arguing for something different that would cause someone else to involuntarily have their property taken from them and given to you?

 

You mean me being dictator? Will it would be the best system there is. But no I do not advicate to turn me into a dictator that owns everything.

I really dont see what that has to do with my post tbh. (besides you seeming to have no clue what socialism entails)

 

You have a voice to try and influence the movement it makes. You dont really have a choice . Its not as if you are free to not pay your taxes claiming you are a 100% capitalist that doesnt want anything to do with the gov .

The US (as example) is a mixed socialist/capitalist economy/social system.

It still is the best way man has found to run a country: capitalism to drive human enguinuity and competition and socialism to temper the exesses and make sure there isnt too much social upheavel .

 

Opinions vary.

 

What other system has been found better that can support this many people?

 

Capitalism, of course. Socialists are just parasites, and capitalists don't need parasites.

 

And what pure capitalistic country was there thats succesful?

 

You're limiting it to countries because countries are defined by having governments, and governments require taxes in order to operate.

It's a cute trick to define the parameters according to what obviously isn't capitalism, but doesn't really work.

 

No in capitalism you can still work together form gov and have taxes for things like an army.

Seeing you cant (wont/give an example let us tak the US in 2018 . Is this a purely capitalistic ( aka free/unrestricted) country ? No it simply isnt.

What you dont seem to understand is the difference between theory and reality. In reality there have never been pure capitalist/socialist or communist countries.

When countries swing wildly to 1 of these extremes it usualy fails spectacular.

 

You're still limiting it to countries. Try thinking of a free market where people go to exchange goods and services for however much they agree to, and then tell me that doesn't work. It certainly does.

 

Yeah but we live in countries, my statement was about countries.

You also dont seem to realise that even if you take limited system you still run ino heaps of gov/satte rules and control to guide thingsa long and make sure there are no excesses/colapses. We have seen not that long ago where it can lead to when you leave the market to be too free.

 

You said one is born with their system, it's involuntary, yet you advocate for something new, which if implemented would be voluntary.
Can you make up your mind please?

 

No I dont, where did I advocate for something new?

 

No. It's a faith based religion.

 

Islam is a religion.
Islamic Fundamentalism is a faith based political system.

 

Well okay, you obviously don't understand the circularity of your position. It's like saying circles are round, so what circle isn't round?

 

What do you mean? I've never understood why so many of you call something that is not a religion a religion. It would be like calling a musical instrument a tool. Ideology is one thing, religions are another. Sometimes the two overlap such as in Juche or in Christian social conservative ideology, but they are clearly seperate.

 

Sometimes something is so implausible so alien to common sense and human experience that only faith alone allows you to believe it is true.

Socialism will make us all richer, for example.
People actually believe that.

Any history or geography book can show this is not true....But there is faith.
The will to believe it is strong.

 

No my argument is still the same, for countries this is still the best system we ever invented.

 

It seems that the appeal of socialism more closely resembles the recruitment and adherence to a religion as opposed to a political ideology. At some point, failed ideology is abandoned as opposed to the faith in socialism in the face of its consistent failures.