EU Rejects Brexit Plan

20/09/2018

 

Sounds like when the south tried to leave the union in the 1860s.

 

More like when the colonies left the empire in 1776.

 

Why doesnt the EU brake up the talks with May? This would have a lot of advantages:
1. they save a lot of money and trouble
2. there will probably an exodus of companies from the UK relocating to EU territory which can lead to a job boom in the EU
3. it is also a good deterrence for other EU countries to conduct any referendums about EU membership

 

Forex predicitions.

 

The EU have rules which mean they have to get a good deal with the UK.

They won't though.

The EU hasn't moved on any part of these talks. To all intents and purposes breaking it off with nothing is exactly what they are doing.

 

The British state run media have found how the people of Europe saw a Tory go up against the EU.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45601152

As we all may understand, I regard the EU as the Fourth Reich, or irony of an empire that it's time to fight for independence from.

Benjamin Franklin went back to America when the English Parliament dismissed his rights as an Englishman, and look what happened then.

The EU snubbed us, said we're not European enough for them.
I say we go back, like how Benjamin Franklin went back, with a sober truth in mind and heart, and be subject to them no more.

 

What pisses me off more than anything is that now is the perfect opportunity for a US/British bilateral trade treaty and yet everyone, including the people claiming to be in favor of it, are sitting on their ****ing asses doing nothing. Britain, like Canada, has similar health codes and consumer protection laws and this would be the perfect zero tariff and zero subsidy partnership.

 

I don't see any need to fight.
Goodbye will do nicely.

Fighting only comes if "goodbye is not an acceptable outcome" or if trade embargoes are used against us.
As a "third country", EU diplomacy will involve the back stop of military power from now on. It is no longer unthinkable.
Everything is on the table.

The EU snubbed us. Lol. Boo hoo.
We snubbed them too. We'll live and so will they.

 

I don't see the need to formalise this relationship.
It adds rigidity, inflexibility to an already working relationship.

The same is still true of the EU after we leave.
We don't need trade deals. Politicians do, we don't.

 

You need trade deals (contracts) to have legal framework in place to prevent subsidies and tariffs otherwise there is nothing stopping one country or another from protectionism. If you don't think there will be repurcussions from the idiots in the EU then you are really really overly optimistic. They are angry and it doesn't matter how much it will hurt normal citizens economically to start taxing British goods, they will do it anyways out of spite. Cementing a US/British agreement now also greatly increases the hand that Britain in dealing with the EU Brexit.

Second, it will completely embarrass the EU which has a convoluted and messed up structure including features that have nothing to do with trade but infringe on the sovereignty of individual nations. Once people see how successful the US,British,Canadian and hopefully Australia and France(if they vote to leave) zero trade agreements are the rest of the EU oligarchy will crumble and fade into obscurity just as it should. Its nothing more than elitist snobs and authoritarians pretending to be lords and ladies.

 

We're not allowed to sign any new deals while in the EU.
If we crash out of the EU, we'd be free to sign then.
It's 2018.
Even planning such a new deal for post EU UK is illegal.
Someone, Germany's Merkel I believe said it was clear Britain cannot negotiate any trade deals while in the EU.

Britain is playing it by the book.

 

I disagree. You need to trade with a country with like minded attitudes to free trade is all.
Diplomatically, counter tariffs will get tariffs dropped quicker than agreeing TTIP or EU membership.

WTO is the current framework we all use to prevent subsidies. We and the US are already in this agreement.


Even in an FTA there will always be tariffs to some extent. Critical industries, failing industries, political nepotism/vote strongholds.


The biggest embarrassment to all trade deal bureaucracies is Singapore. That you can get richer without them.

 

WTO does NOT prevent subsidies or protectionism at all. China is a member of the WTO and has been for years yet it steals intellectual property, subsidizes domestic companies, just like Germany subsidizes their automakers, and had tariffs on imported goods. The WTO is like those climate treaties, it talks a lot but has no actual teeth.

 

WTO prevents subsidies.
Provides that legal framework.
China gets prosecuted for it in WTO court.

No other treaty is going to provide you better than this.
The court passes judgements and fines get paid. All you can do.

What can another court do?
What increased authority can it wield?

I can ignore one treaty just as much as any other.
There is no perfect world.

 

Germany controls the EU and I reckon Merkel and May will already have made a deal that the EU will have to swallow.
Sod the French they're bankrupt and not an issue they're just arrogant hangers on with a superiority complex

 

The EU is on self-destruct - we're getting out just in time before the chaos hits.

 

The French are going to be a pain the arse.
Fishing, tunnel security. food imports.
Macron is a weak president and the EU is his flagship policy. His rallying cry.

Germany's no problem. They want to do business and nothing we do competes with them except the city, which they have never allowed to trade freely and still won't.

Even if we tariffed their goods in retaliation they won't offer free access for the City.
Because Frankfurt would go out of business in 12 months flat.

 

High possibility this is true.

 

then so can we...block their overpriced wine and weird mouldy cheeses and as for their poor excuses for cars.....balls to them...

 

And they can let thousands of migrants through.
Block their ports and steal our fish.

It will be an arse. We need new navy, to divert shipping to Belgium and Netherlands ports and lose market for food stuffs.
Most trade is done with our neighbours. The bulk of it.

No point blocking their stuff people like it. It;s the French. Put up with their ****. Listen to them tell us how much we suck, rescue them every time they pick a fight.


I like the idea of privateers.
Capture a French trawler... keep it.

 

If we do leave they'll conspire to make our lives a misery by such things as delays at container ports and airports, and anything else the jobsworths can think of. They're really going to miss our contributions, that's for sure! In fact it wouldn't surprise me that if the 27 weren't paying any contributions at all.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1022248/brexit-news-us-uk-trade-deal-donald-trump-news-eu
BRUSSELS PANIC: May and Trump to hold Brexit trade talks TOMORROW

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...ork-to-discuss-brexit-and-trade-idUSKCN1M42JT

Theresa May is heading out to NYC to address the UN, and #metoo and talk about a US/UK trade deal with President Trump...

Looks like no deal for the EU.